2016-02-16 10:34:20	@kido	hi mcirsta :)
2016-02-16 10:48:27	mcirsta	howdie
2016-02-16 10:53:17	@kido	interested in asteroid? :)
2016-02-16 10:53:48	mcirsta	yes, not here by mistake :)
2016-02-16 10:54:13	mcirsta	I've always been a Qt fan
2016-02-16 10:54:20	mcirsta	and this seems like a good idea
2016-02-16 10:54:29	mcirsta	only problem is my watch is MIA :D
2016-02-16 10:56:44	@kido	nice :D
2016-02-16 10:56:47	TheAppleMan	so i discovered that you can wake the watch up with a double tap to the screen...
2016-02-16 10:57:21	@kido	mcirsta: what do you mean by MIA? i'm not a native speaker
2016-02-16 10:57:47	@kido	TheAppleMan: ahah but how have you worked with asteroid so far?
2016-02-16 10:58:37	@kido	TheAppleMan: you can disable screen off with mcetool -D on
2016-02-16 11:00:37	TheAppleMan	kido: all this time i was pressing the button to wake it up :D
2016-02-16 11:00:44	@kido	mcirsta: if you mean missing in action then it's ok, I guess you can still help with some QML code from your computer :)
2016-02-16 11:01:32	TheAppleMan	i kinda want it to have the "powersave" mode, but i guess i'll need to get the accellerometer working..
2016-02-16 11:01:34	@kido	TheAppleMan: amazing, I hope you're the only one to have thought about using his watch like that
2016-02-16 11:02:00	TheAppleMan	kido: google wear already has it :P
2016-02-16 11:02:36	@kido	actualy I never spent time working on the accelerometer with the LG G Watch but I guess you have to run some proprietary blobs from /system/lib/hw/, something like sensors.qcom or whatever
2016-02-16 11:03:52	mcirsta	@kido yeah I mean missing in action :)
2016-02-16 11:04:09	mcirsta	not a native speaker either but it's still the best description for the status
2016-02-16 11:04:17	mcirsta	I ordered a BLOCKS
2016-02-16 11:04:20	@kido	alright
2016-02-16 11:04:27	mcirsta	said they'll deliver in may or something
2016-02-16 11:04:28	@kido	oh blocks seems to be a really nice beast
2016-02-16 11:04:36	mcirsta	now May = September :D
2016-02-16 11:04:42	@kido	:)
2016-02-16 11:04:50	mcirsta	it's great
2016-02-16 11:04:53	mcirsta	if only I had it
2016-02-16 11:04:54	@kido	that's the issue with kickstarters...
2016-02-16 11:05:31	@kido	you can't be sure of the issue (e.g jolla tablet) but anyway it's often worth trying
2016-02-16 11:06:38	@kido	http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/01/17/asteroidos-is-an-open-source-operating-systems-for-your-android-wear-smartwatch/#comment-521368
2016-02-16 11:08:03	mcirsta	that was me :)
2016-02-16 11:08:08	mcirsta	first comment I mean
2016-02-16 11:09:22	@kido	alright, I remember everything
2016-02-16 11:09:42	@kido	blocks could be a really cool default platform for asteroid
2016-02-16 11:10:29	mcirsta	thing I , how hard is it to have native support , hybris seems great but it would make me feel better to know it's GNU/Linux :D
2016-02-16 11:10:41	mcirsta	Freedreno should work somehow
2016-02-16 11:10:55	@kido	well, I totaly agree
2016-02-16 11:10:59	mcirsta	are the rest of the the Qualcomm drivers available ?
2016-02-16 11:11:53	@kido	actualy I have some plans to get a unified kernel for qcom devices and freedreno drivers but there are too much things to do at the moment :/
2016-02-16 11:12:54	mcirsta	I have to see what the new wearables SOC brings
2016-02-16 11:13:10	@kido	+ there would still be the proprietary bluetooth firmware and the qcom.sensors I was talking about some minutes before
2016-02-16 11:14:08	@kido	so some android crap running, which is especialy bad for battery life... but anyway I try to proceed incrementally
2016-02-16 11:14:23	mcirsta	yes, I agree
2016-02-16 11:14:32	mcirsta	for now hybris seems reasonable
2016-02-16 11:14:59	mcirsta	I was just hoping that in the long term there would be another solution
2016-02-16 11:19:15	@kido	it's planned but for now I'm focused on proving the capabilities of Asteroid, extending the community (for example by ports) and also the platform's UI
2016-02-16 11:21:48	mcirsta	yes I get it and I think you're right
2016-02-16 11:21:52	mcirsta	I would have done the same
2016-02-16 11:22:19	mcirsta	I'd love to port it to Blocks but ...
2016-02-16 11:22:40	mcirsta	maybe they could send me a devel version if they're really nice
2016-02-16 11:22:48	mcirsta	and I can prove I'm working on something useful
2016-02-16 11:24:29	@kido	I thought about writing them an email too
2016-02-16 11:24:39	@kido	not sure they would give away two watches for the same project though
2016-02-16 11:24:48	mcirsta	well no
2016-02-16 11:24:52	mcirsta	so if you want to do it
2016-02-16 11:24:55	mcirsta	fine by me :D
2016-02-16 11:25:12	TheAppleMan	there's plenty of other android wear watches :)
2016-02-16 11:25:38	mcirsta	yes
2016-02-16 11:25:42	mcirsta	I'd like one with GPS
2016-02-16 11:25:45	mcirsta	and 3G
2016-02-16 11:25:47	mcirsta	and cheap
2016-02-16 11:26:04	mcirsta	saw some Chinese stuff but ... they don't usually have the kernel source
2016-02-16 11:27:01	@kido	no don't worry, I can write them an email when you get your port working
2016-02-16 11:28:25	mcirsta	well I'm getting one anyway
2016-02-16 11:28:27	mcirsta	as a backer
2016-02-16 11:28:30	mcirsta	so ...
2016-02-16 11:29:04	mcirsta	I did ask them on the forums about UART
2016-02-16 11:29:19	mcirsta	because I'd hate to have to open it and solder
2016-02-16 11:29:55	mcirsta	would be really , really nice if they exposed it somehow
2016-02-16 11:30:09	mcirsta	not needed at first for Asteroid I presume
2016-02-16 11:30:25	mcirsta	UART that is
2016-02-16 11:31:49	@kido	yes I worked my way up with adb on the g watch
2016-02-16 11:32:01	@kido	but UART would be really handy...
2016-02-16 11:32:05	@kido	did they give an answer?
2016-02-16 11:32:12	mcirsta	not yet, no
2016-02-16 11:32:17	@kido	I'm curious about how "open" they plan to make their platform
2016-02-16 11:32:30	mcirsta	haha, yeah me too
2016-02-16 11:32:51	mcirsta	Jolla was kind of a disappointment in that respect
2016-02-16 11:32:56	@kido	if that could be the fairphone of watches... :)
2016-02-16 11:34:27	mcirsta	@kido isn't there a way to build a qemu or something image to do some devel work ?
2016-02-16 11:35:25	@kido	well technicaly OpenEmbedded supports QEMU really easily
2016-02-16 11:35:52	@kido	there might be some things to change when starting asteroid-launcher in order not to use hwcomposer though
2016-02-16 11:36:24	@kido	but overall it shouldn't be a really hard task, and it could be a nice way to make you discover OE if you want to do more porting work later
2016-02-16 11:36:30	mcirsta	hwcomposer is an Android thingy, right ?
2016-02-16 11:36:33	@kido	yes
2016-02-16 11:36:53	@kido	currently asteroid-launcher uses qt5-qpa-hwcomposer but I tried to isolate its usgae in the device-specific layers the best I could
2016-02-16 11:37:01	mcirsta	well then it means it's a step in the right direction for building a Linux/Gnu version
2016-02-16 11:37:06	@kido	never tried on a non-hybris platform though
2016-02-16 11:37:22	mcirsta	OK , I'll see how I have time and try this
2016-02-16 11:37:36	@kido	well technicaly it's already a GNU/Linux, there are only three process and a bunch of libraries that come from android ;)
2016-02-16 11:37:54	@kido	keep me updated, I would definitely be interested in a QEMU port for the SDK
2016-02-16 11:37:55	mcirsta	pure GNU/Linux then :D
2016-02-16 11:38:03	@kido	indeed :)
2016-02-16 11:38:15	@kido	it wouldn't be a lot of work and it would definitely be possible
2016-02-16 11:38:30	@kido	and useful
2016-02-16 11:38:33	mcirsta	OK then , I can give that a try and I'll ask if I run into some trouble
2016-02-16 11:38:43	@kido	sure
2016-02-16 11:38:57	mcirsta	haven't really done anything like this before so it won't be a breeze but it should be doable :D
2016-02-16 11:39:08	@kido	I'll have free time starting from thursday
2016-02-16 11:39:48	mcirsta	I have job interview at the end of February but after that I'll have some more free time
2016-02-16 11:39:58	mcirsta	I can probably make some progress till then also
2016-02-16 11:40:03	@kido	alright, I'll have ~2-3 weeks to spend on asteroid
2016-02-16 11:40:15	mcirsta	when I get bored of reading about C++ :D
2016-02-16 11:40:19	@kido	:)
2016-02-16 11:41:00	mcirsta	sometimes I love embedded work too but I don't really have embedded experience and doing embedded in a company usually sucks
2016-02-16 11:41:16	mcirsta	I like it more when the HW is ready
2016-02-16 11:42:00	@kido	there must be some companies working with prebuilt HW I guess
2016-02-16 11:42:39	mcirsta	yeah but I dunno, I like some embedded for fun , don't like it when my daily living depends on it
2016-02-16 11:42:58	mcirsta	with C++ or higher level stuff I know all of my problems are in the SW somewhere :D
2016-02-16 11:43:18	@kido	yes I can understand that
2016-02-16 11:44:04	mcirsta	I did work for 8 months doing embedded work and it was a pain in the ass ... HW was really bad and they couldn't agree on the final HW and how it should work
2016-02-16 11:44:11	mcirsta	so I'd rather not
2016-02-16 11:44:29	@kido	ok
2016-02-16 11:44:32	mcirsta	it was an 8bit microcontroller though
2016-02-16 11:44:35	mcirsta	anyway
2016-02-16 11:44:40	mcirsta	back to our thingy
2016-02-16 11:44:59	mcirsta	I suppose I can make the image running in qemu X86, right ?
2016-02-16 11:45:06	mcirsta	no reason for it to be ARM ?
2016-02-16 11:45:53	mcirsta	if I remember correctly the Jolla SKD used a X86 qemu image
2016-02-16 11:46:00	@kido	sure
2016-02-16 11:47:18	@kido	once again, OE would take care of everything for you
2016-02-16 11:48:04	mcirsta	sounds good, never used it before so I'll see
2016-02-16 11:48:23	mcirsta	certainly seems easier than HW with not UART though
2016-02-16 11:48:47	mcirsta	if we could get access to a devel board or something but meh ...
2016-02-16 11:49:03	mcirsta	qemu will do for now :D
2016-02-16 11:50:56	@kido	at the very begining I did my first experiments on a radxa rock board but it wouldn't be of much use today
2016-02-16 13:22:31	mcirsta	qemu should do nicely
2016-02-16 13:23:14	mcirsta	just a curiosity, do you reuse stuff from I dunno, nemo or something  ? with QML the idea was that only the qml part will change while you could reuse the model , controller
2016-02-16 13:36:59	locusf	Asteroid uses eg the middleware
2016-02-16 16:43:37	RobertM_	Hello
2016-02-16 16:50:32	TheAppleMan	hi RobertM_
2016-02-16 16:53:10	@kido	hi RobertM_ 
2016-02-16 20:45:07	TheAppleMan	so the wpa-supplicant service uses dbus by default so i have no idea how to control it ?_(?)_/? i'd feel bad modifying it though