2016-02-28 11:25:43	TheAppleMan	kido: part of the calculator is still off the screen, mostly the right side
2016-02-28 11:26:25	TheAppleMan	calendar is pretty small, but i like the new settings app
2016-02-28 11:26:54	@kido	Strange for the calculator, are you sure you built the latest? I will try it again
2016-02-28 11:27:26	TheAppleMan	from a couple of days ago, but it was built from scratch
2016-02-28 11:28:07	@kido	For calendar I'll also have to change the QtQuick Style but anyway... It will still be a pain to put a calendar on such a small screen :/ we should probably move to a "list" calendar instead of this grid
2016-02-28 11:28:20	TheAppleMan	yeah
2016-02-28 11:28:24	@kido	Ok strange, I will check that
2016-02-28 11:28:45	@kido	For settings, only the gestures changed
2016-02-28 11:29:01	TheAppleMan	yeah, but i like 'em :)
2016-02-28 11:29:03	@kido	Oh and do you have round windows?
2016-02-28 11:29:25	TheAppleMan	oh yes, i didn't notice that :D
2016-02-28 11:29:27	@kido	Yes it feels way better than before to use it :)
2016-02-28 11:29:43	@kido	Cool
2016-02-28 11:30:32	@kido	I was afraid it would let a thin one-pixel-large area at the edge of the round screen
2016-02-28 11:30:46	@kido	If the radius isn't exactly the same
2016-02-28 11:32:21	@kido	I believe that the app launcher should have a grid of 4 icons instead of one by screen
2016-02-28 11:32:28	@kido	What do you think?
2016-02-28 11:34:44	TheAppleMan	hmmm... i think i prefer the one per screen
2016-02-28 11:35:37	@kido	Alright. While we have ~6 apps it should be ok
2016-02-28 11:36:05	@kido	I'm working on the alarmclock app... Starting to get some results
2016-02-28 11:36:27	@kido	It is the last app I would like to have in the first release of asteroid
2016-02-28 11:36:45	TheAppleMan	yeah i'm looking forward to that
2016-02-28 11:37:27	@kido	I still gotta finish settings and improve the UI of overything. Then i will take care of battery life which is really shitty on the G Watch
2016-02-28 11:37:39	@kido	everything*
2016-02-28 11:38:04	@kido	This is directly related to my work on bluetooth
2016-02-28 11:38:28	TheAppleMan	oh, if it is one per screen, can you make the swiping the list a bit stiffer (less scroll after swipe)
2016-02-28 11:38:57	@kido	I will check that
2016-02-28 19:31:53	mcirsta	hi folks
2016-02-28 19:43:17	@kido	hey mcirsta 
2016-02-28 20:06:17	mcirsta	@kida got me a smartwatch :D
2016-02-28 20:06:26	mcirsta	@kido :D
2016-02-28 20:07:36	@kido	? :D
2016-02-28 20:07:47	mcirsta	Samsung Gear S
2016-02-28 20:07:57	@kido	oh a tizen beast
2016-02-28 20:08:01	mcirsta	the watch itself is beauty
2016-02-28 20:08:08	mcirsta	the screen is just awsome
2016-02-28 20:08:15	mcirsta	but the software ... crappy
2016-02-28 20:08:29	mcirsta	I didn't think there's something worse than Android
2016-02-28 20:08:43	mcirsta	but sadly I'd say Tizen is :D
2016-02-28 20:09:16	mcirsta	at the least the dumbed down implementation on this watch
2016-02-28 20:09:17	@kido	ahah actualy I thought the opposite :) at least for the gear S2... I watched some reviews of it and tizen seemed to do a fairly good job on top of it
2016-02-28 20:09:30	mcirsta	neah , it's crap
2016-02-28 20:09:32	mcirsta	honestly
2016-02-28 20:09:40	@kido	never got interested in the gear s though
2016-02-28 20:09:46	mcirsta	well for S2 they made things a bit better
2016-02-28 20:09:53	mcirsta	like you don't need a Samsung phone
2016-02-28 20:09:58	@kido	ahah
2016-02-28 20:10:01	@kido	yes that's... usefule
2016-02-28 20:10:02	@kido	-e
2016-02-28 20:10:10	mcirsta	well I have a Xiaomi so ...
2016-02-28 20:10:26	mcirsta	I probably need to hack some stuff to get it working
2016-02-28 20:10:48	mcirsta	but it's very dumb in that you can't even install apps on it without a phone ( a Samsung in this case )
2016-02-28 20:11:00	mcirsta	still the S2 is worse than the S IMO
2016-02-28 20:11:06	mcirsta	that round screen ... neah
2016-02-28 20:11:18	@kido	:/
2016-02-28 20:11:18	mcirsta	I mean I bought the Gear S for the screen
2016-02-28 20:11:25	mcirsta	and I'm not disappointed
2016-02-28 20:11:33	@kido	yes I understand
2016-02-28 20:11:39	mcirsta	without it ... it's just an expensive smarthwatch :D
2016-02-28 20:11:41	@kido	but I'm afraid it must be pretty power consuming
2016-02-28 20:11:51	mcirsta	yep, pretty much so
2016-02-28 20:11:59	mcirsta	but at least it's AMOLED
2016-02-28 20:12:05	@kido	yes
2016-02-28 20:12:15	mcirsta	so if you only have a bit of text and such it won't consume as much
2016-02-28 20:12:23	@kido	indeed
2016-02-28 20:12:30	mcirsta	still , it does feel like Star Trek :D
2016-02-28 20:12:42	mcirsta	or something ... not like you just have a round watch :D
2016-02-28 20:13:00	mcirsta	anyway ... I still plan to do the Qemu image
2016-02-28 20:13:12	mcirsta	after Tuesday when I have the last job interview
2016-02-28 20:13:22	@kido	now that you talked about this watch in this channel we gotta replace tizen with something more... interesting :)
2016-02-28 20:13:50	@kido	alright, good luck for your job interviews then
2016-02-28 20:14:32	mcirsta	yes, I plan on replacing Tizen
2016-02-28 20:14:42	mcirsta	oh and the Tizen apps it has
2016-02-28 20:14:48	mcirsta	really dumbed down
2016-02-28 20:14:56	mcirsta	it has some version of Here
2016-02-28 20:15:05	mcirsta	times out waiting for GPS
2016-02-28 20:15:08	mcirsta	and that's that
2016-02-28 20:15:14	@kido	:/
2016-02-28 20:15:24	mcirsta	need to get a SIM in it
2016-02-28 20:15:31	mcirsta	so it can do AGPS
2016-02-28 20:15:58	mcirsta	still it has great potential
2016-02-28 20:16:20	locusf	I get my zenwatch tomorrow
2016-02-28 20:16:35	locusf	so I can start contributing to asteroid as well :)
2016-02-28 20:16:42	locusf	asteroid manager for nemo could be cool
2016-02-28 20:16:45	mcirsta	good SOC, good screen, it has heart rate, BT, 3G, wifi , UV
2016-02-28 20:17:25	mcirsta	it also has a download mode
2016-02-28 20:17:27	mcirsta	like Android
2016-02-28 20:17:40	mcirsta	I'm thinking I could use that to flash an Asteroid image
2016-02-28 20:18:05	mcirsta	also I can probably use much of the Tizen stuff, it should be proper Linux
2016-02-28 20:18:12	mcirsta	with Wayland as far as I know
2016-02-28 20:18:42	@kido	this is super awesome guys
2016-02-28 20:18:49	@kido	locusf: yay!
2016-02-28 20:19:22	@kido	you can't imagine how excited about your new devices :)
2016-02-28 20:19:41	mcirsta	yeah , the only problem is that I'd like to use it :D
2016-02-28 20:20:02	mcirsta	but it will be a devel device instead , lol
2016-02-28 20:20:14	mcirsta	once I get Blocks I can switch :D
2016-02-28 20:20:20	mcirsta	one for devel and one for using
2016-02-28 20:21:04	mcirsta	what's nice is that I can actually type on mine, using a full qwerty on-screen keyboard
2016-02-28 20:21:18	mcirsta	not sure there's one in Asteroid yet
2016-02-28 20:27:11	@kido	nop there is no keyboard on asteroid but it would be easy to integrate with maliit
2016-02-28 20:27:39	@kido	and for using your watch, you should know that I use my g watch daily with android wear I have some kind of "dual boot" that you could setup too
2016-02-28 20:28:04	@kido	just push the rootfs to the sdcard and remotely boot a kernel that loads the rootfs
2016-02-28 20:28:27	mcirsta	no SD card sadly
2016-02-28 20:28:43	mcirsta	maybe some of the internal partition it has could do ...
2016-02-28 20:29:57	mcirsta	still I find it simpler when it's just a devel device and that's it
2016-02-28 20:30:21	mcirsta	but if I could get a dual boot setup ...
2016-02-28 20:31:21	mcirsta	hmm
2016-02-28 20:31:31	mcirsta	it does have a menu that you can get to
2016-02-28 20:31:50	mcirsta	and from there you can select things like recovery ,downlod mode and stuff
2016-02-28 20:32:00	mcirsta	would be nice if I could hack that and add an entry
2016-02-28 20:32:19	mcirsta	but for now bootloader is locked
2016-02-28 20:32:27	mcirsta	so I need to unlock that first I guess
2016-02-28 20:32:39	@kido	I was talking about the internal sd card
2016-02-28 20:35:34	mcirsta	ah, OK then
2016-02-28 20:35:39	mcirsta	I do have that
2016-02-28 20:53:17	@kido	alright alright... it turned out that the android's init.dory.rc contained a few lines that disable 3 of the 4 cores of the CPU and reclocked from 1.5GHz to 720MHz, it also reclocks the GPU
2016-02-28 20:53:43	@kido	I tried those changes on asteroid and it runs absolutely flawlessly (I didn't notice anything in fact)
2016-02-28 20:54:07	@kido	and with early bad benchmarking it seems to have multiplied by 3 the battery life
2016-02-28 20:54:08	mcirsta	hmm, you mean it turnes it into a single core ?
2016-02-28 20:54:12	@kido	yep
2016-02-28 20:54:16	@kido	after the boot
2016-02-28 20:54:31	mcirsta	emm ... I suppose that's done to save energy
2016-02-28 20:54:38	mcirsta	but at least a dual core would be nice
2016-02-28 20:54:54	mcirsta	the part about the clocking should be fine I guess
2016-02-28 20:55:10	mcirsta	and I'd clock the GPU as low as possible for just the UI to work
2016-02-28 20:55:23	mcirsta	it's not like anyone's playing 3D games :D
2016-02-28 20:55:27	@kido	I think that energy saving is a priority on those devices
2016-02-28 20:55:47	@kido	and I think that android uses much more power than asteroid so I might be able to tweak the settings even lower
2016-02-28 20:55:59	@kido	I will check how low we can get to maximize battery life
2016-02-28 20:56:07	mcirsta	yes but maybe 2 cores at 400 Mhz probably use less than 1 core at 720
2016-02-28 20:56:21	mcirsta	always wondered about this
2016-02-28 20:56:39	mcirsta	maybe if it's single core all that context switching uses power too
2016-02-28 20:56:50	mcirsta	it's not like you can have just 1 process / thread
2016-02-28 20:57:04	mcirsta	but anyway interesting find
2016-02-28 20:57:19	mcirsta	I wonder what's going on with my Gear :D
2016-02-28 20:59:42	@kido	I don't think it would be better with 2 cores at 400MHz
2016-02-28 21:01:57	mcirsta	I'm wondering why they don't just disable the cores from the kernel or something
2016-02-28 21:02:26	@kido	TheAppleMan: ^~ those tweaks might interest you, I'm also investigating the low power mode of the qcom's msm-pm right now, it could also interest you
2016-02-28 21:02:37	@kido	mcirstato get faster boot
2016-02-28 21:02:54	mcirsta	ah, right
2016-02-28 21:19:08	TheAppleMan	kido: that's an interesting find. anything you do benefits me :)
2016-02-28 21:28:19	mcirsta	lol, that does sound like someone from Apple would say to an open source devel :D
2016-02-28 21:29:10	TheAppleMan	...i'm gonna change my nick soon
2016-02-28 21:29:28	TheAppleMan	i feel like i'm getting wear-like battery life in asteroid, so 3x is gonna be fun
2016-02-28 21:30:26	@kido	mcirsta: actualy someone on twitter already asked me what Apple had to do with Asteroid :D
2016-02-28 21:31:04	mcirsta	haha, funny stuff but the statement itself that "anything you do benefits me" was nice
2016-02-28 21:31:06	@kido	he had a hard time explaining that he just "likes fruits"
2016-02-28 21:32:12	mcirsta	speaking of which ( and I promise I won't spam ) but when you have time  to relax : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI
2016-02-28 21:33:10	@kido	TheAppleMan: do you have a bad color depth ? On the G Watch the gradients look awful (especialy on the icons)
2016-02-28 21:34:13	@kido	mcirsta: I'll check that in a few minutes, I'm on my phone atm
2016-02-28 21:34:24	TheAppleMan	kido: it seems fine. i though it was mostly solid colours... i have the brightness down to the minimum though
2016-02-28 21:35:04	@kido	Doesn't the brightness setting work?
2016-02-28 21:35:22	TheAppleMan	it does, which is why i set it to 0%
2016-02-28 21:35:39	TheAppleMan	it doesn't work well on a round screen
2016-02-28 21:36:14	@kido	alright
2016-02-28 21:45:21	TheAppleMan	the gradients on the icons look really smooth, a little (<5px) banding; but the wallpaper colours are fantastic
2016-02-28 21:58:05	suebt	kido: Just brought my watch up to date, the new LayerStack works great! Just one issue: One can't kill an app with the top-edge-swipe when into a sub page.
2016-02-28 21:58:43	suebt	Oh, and it boots must faster :) looks like I missed a lot
2016-02-28 22:00:08	suebt	also app startup has improved
2016-02-28 22:00:51	suebt	Did the LayerStack switch to Component do a performance impact?
2016-02-28 22:09:01	suebt	one tiny issue: There is no animation anymore when opening a sub page, but that shouldn't be too hard to fix.
2016-02-28 22:27:24	@kido	hey suebt 
2016-02-28 22:28:43	@kido	indeed, I am aware of the top-edge-swipe issue for closing apps :) it won't be hard to fix, it's on my todo list
2016-02-28 22:29:16	@kido	mhhh for the boot time I don't think anything changed since the last time you tried. I mean, there was a long boot bug but that was a loong time ago
2016-02-28 22:30:08	@kido	for the app startup, it's mainly related to the usage of mapplauncherd and a proper preloaded qml file (and there might still be room to improve it a little bit)
2016-02-28 22:30:23	@kido	but for asteroid-settings it mainly comes from the usage of Components yes
2016-02-28 22:30:59	@kido	for the opening animation it comes from the fact that I mixed the code from asteroid-launcher which hasn't this animation
2016-02-28 22:31:20	@kido	but anyway it would be intuitive to get that animation when opening apps too so it mmight be added
2016-02-28 22:31:32	@kido	if you want to contribute... there is still room for it :D
2016-02-28 22:33:04	@kido	the features are almost all done so that would be nice to improve the UX and on that side there are many great ideas here https://medium.com/user-experience-design-1/alcatel-watch-ux-f721a88bff33#.yszillro6 for example I would love to get this component https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*NXfD5TRMbBVv_v4g5p2_pw.png
2016-02-28 23:06:31	mcirsta	@kido these seems to be an UI for round watches, I think for not round ones it would need to be a little different , right ?
2016-02-28 23:07:03	@kido	do you talk about the whole article or the second link?
2016-02-28 23:23:57	@kido	TheAppleMan: oh and by the way, I fixed the bug you told me about concerning the clock's update time when unlocking the screen. I used another signal to trigger the clock's enabling and now it works flawlessly
2016-02-28 23:24:46	@kido	I still need to move to the center screen when unlocking though, the way I coded those 5 screens make it more complicated than I would like it to be but anyway...
2016-02-28 23:26:38	mcirsta	@kido I mean the entire UI
2016-02-28 23:26:56	mcirsta	I guess for a round watch the UI needs to be a bit different
2016-02-28 23:27:05	mcirsta	mine's a  rectangular one
2016-02-28 23:31:11	@kido	sure, we can't take everything
2016-02-28 23:31:24	@kido	but there are still some good ideas (like this widget which I find really nice)