2016-03-02 00:38:13	@kido	hi suebt
2016-03-02 00:39:21	@kido	bluetooth: nothing new since the heart rate monitor demo on twitter
2016-03-02 00:40:05	@kido	and sure I'm planning to create an asteroid control app and I will start with a computer daemon developed with qtbluetooth in C++ so yes the code could be re-used
2016-03-02 00:40:23	@kido	I don't think I will go straight away with a library like that though
2016-03-02 00:40:49	@kido	the next targetted platform will be sailfishos(as soon as I put my hands on a sailfish phone)
2016-03-02 00:40:58	@kido	so the porting to ubuntu touch won't be hard
2016-03-02 00:41:18	@kido	the G watch doesn't have wifi support but yes the urbane does and maybe the R, I don't know
2016-03-02 00:41:56	@kido	that would be cool to see you contribute again ;)
2016-03-02 00:45:49	@kido	https://www.wareable.com/smartwatches/asteroidos-could-be-the-smartwatch-operating-system-of-the-people-2394 "Viva la open source revoluci??n, comrades" ahahah
2016-03-02 00:46:12	@kido	little mistake there about the optic heart rate monitor but anyway journalists...
2016-03-02 02:32:10	@kido	featured on XDA http://www.xda-developers.com/asteroidos-is-an-open-source-alternative-to-android-wear/
2016-03-02 09:23:20	TheAppleMan	the urbane has a heart rate monitor, i need to add that to my list of TODOs
2016-03-02 09:23:46	mcirsta	hi folks
2016-03-02 09:23:51	mcirsta	mine has heart rate too
2016-03-02 09:24:21	mcirsta	oddly enough I saw a good looking implementation of this on a cheapo chinese "dumb watch"
2016-03-02 09:24:37	mcirsta	it had a very nice graph with the heart rate
2016-03-02 09:24:51	TheAppleMan	umm... is wareable allowed to use my photo that i posted to twitter...
2016-03-02 09:30:50	TheAppleMan	...reading the terms, probably yes
2016-03-02 09:55:58	TheAppleMan	oh, my rebuilt image appears to have the clock update code. haven't seen it wrong so far :D
2016-03-02 09:58:59	suebt	kido: ok :)
2016-03-02 10:06:08	Haggster66	hi guys. this is an amazing project, can't wait until it's available on the g watch r
2016-03-02 10:11:03	TheAppleMan	i'm not sure who has a g watch r to do the initial port, but it's pretty simple. it should be running a qualcomm chip so most of the work is already done
2016-03-02 10:12:52	TheAppleMan	the specs look like it's very similar to my urbane, actually
2016-03-02 10:16:18	Haggster66	yeah, it's roughly based on the same hardware
2016-03-02 10:16:37	Haggster66	there's even ports of the official Urbane stock ROM for the G Watch R
2016-03-02 10:17:03	Haggster66	I'd give it a shot myself, but unfortunately I lack the time :-/
2016-03-02 10:17:37	Haggster66	anway, can't wait to ssh into my watch, that'd be a dream come true just because, hehe
2016-03-02 10:17:43	Haggster66	+y
2016-03-02 10:18:53	mcirsta	yeah I'd like to ssh into mine too
2016-03-02 10:19:41	Haggster66	imagine having an X client on the watch, and then connecting to it from a desktop.
2016-03-02 10:19:49	Haggster66	the possibilities are endless. lovin it :)
2016-03-02 10:20:48	mcirsta	no no
2016-03-02 10:20:51	mcirsta	no X for me
2016-03-02 10:20:56	mcirsta	I want Wayland on mine LD
2016-03-02 10:20:57	mcirsta	:D
2016-03-02 10:21:16	mcirsta	but yes you could do loads of things
2016-03-02 10:21:16	Haggster66	or VNC even, should be possible to open a background session. While just displaying the time on the watch
2016-03-02 10:22:08	mcirsta	sure but the main thing would be to get basics working
2016-03-02 10:22:10	mcirsta	at least for me
2016-03-02 10:22:17	mcirsta	my Gear S has tons of stuff
2016-03-02 10:22:32	mcirsta	even 3G , lol
2016-03-02 10:22:47	mcirsta	that will need some work
2016-03-02 10:23:06	Haggster66	I have a personal horror story with the Gear S :-P
2016-03-02 10:23:31	Haggster66	bought it for my gf's brother for last christmas - he's got a samsung phone...
2016-03-02 10:23:42	Haggster66	...but not a Galaxy S(x)
2016-03-02 10:24:28	Haggster66	so the Gear app just wouldn't connect. Was trying everything, tons of inofficial guides explaining how to connect from non-Samsung phones ...none of that was working. Ended up RMA'ing it.
2016-03-02 10:25:00	mcirsta	well I'm thinking of hacking the app to work with mine
2016-03-02 10:25:05	Haggster66	but beautiful hardware none the less
2016-03-02 10:25:06	mcirsta	I've got a Xiaomi phone
2016-03-02 10:25:27	mcirsta	still it seems be be mostly Android stuff
2016-03-02 10:25:39	mcirsta	which is quite easy to reverse engineer
2016-03-02 10:25:47	mcirsta	decompile to java and stuff
2016-03-02 10:26:01	mcirsta	on the other hand I'm wondering if it's worth the effort
2016-03-02 10:26:05	Haggster66	yeah it's handy if that's possible
2016-03-02 10:26:30	mcirsta	I'll probably work on getting AsteroidOS to it
2016-03-02 10:26:49	mcirsta	rather than working on supporting some proprietary firmware
2016-03-02 10:26:56	mcirsta	which is kinda crappy sometimes too
2016-03-02 10:26:57	Haggster66	I think that might be worth the effort, rather than hacking on their Tizen OS
2016-03-02 10:27:02	mcirsta	yep
2016-03-02 10:27:06	Haggster66	exactly
2016-03-02 10:27:14	mcirsta	I'm sure I could get their app working on my phone
2016-03-02 10:27:16	mcirsta	eventually
2016-03-02 10:27:21	mcirsta	even if it's not a Samsung
2016-03-02 10:27:38	Haggster66	as far as I see it, it's an artificial limitation
2016-03-02 10:27:44	mcirsta	I've hacked Android apps before but ... not worth it
2016-03-02 10:27:52	Haggster66	we got somebody to borrow us their S4 for around 20 minutes and the app would connect instantly
2016-03-02 10:27:53	mcirsta	Haggster66 not sure
2016-03-02 10:28:07	mcirsta	they released a new app now
2016-03-02 10:28:12	Haggster66	whereas we were trying like 4 other phones and none of those were able to connect.
2016-03-02 10:28:14	mcirsta	which works with Gear S2
2016-03-02 10:28:29	mcirsta	and that one works with any Android phone
2016-03-02 10:28:45	mcirsta	so I got that , transfered it to my PC and reversed it
2016-03-02 10:28:50	Haggster66	cool
2016-03-02 10:29:01	mcirsta	when I looked it was getting a lsit of devices it supports from an XML file
2016-03-02 10:29:11	mcirsta	so it scans on BT
2016-03-02 10:29:13	Haggster66	there you go: artificial limitation
2016-03-02 10:29:24	mcirsta	and based on the name it shows it or not
2016-03-02 10:29:37	mcirsta	looked in the xml file
2016-03-02 10:29:42	mcirsta	and GearS was there
2016-03-02 10:29:48	mcirsta	but there was also a property
2016-03-02 10:30:02	mcirsta	worksOnNonSamsung or something
2016-03-02 10:30:08	Haggster66	oh ok
2016-03-02 10:30:16	mcirsta	which was set to false for GearS but true for GearS2
2016-03-02 10:30:28	mcirsta	set that to true for GearS and re-uploaded the APK
2016-03-02 10:30:37	Haggster66	sometimes I wonder why these kinds of companies just don't use a BSD kernel instead. if they could, they'd love to keep *everything* proprietary
2016-03-02 10:31:21	mcirsta	still no joy, the app still doesn't show my GearS
2016-03-02 10:31:24	mcirsta	but meh
2016-03-02 10:31:26	Haggster66	ah ok
2016-03-02 10:31:33	Haggster66	yeah, not worth the effort
2016-03-02 10:31:40	mcirsta	as I said not worth it
2016-03-02 10:31:43	Haggster66	trying to get that to run partly ruined my christmas, lol
2016-03-02 10:31:54	mcirsta	what I did find out is that then it download another APK
2016-03-02 10:32:02	mcirsta	which contains about 6 different APKs
2016-03-02 10:32:06	Haggster66	exactly
2016-03-02 10:32:08	Haggster66	there's loads
2016-03-02 10:32:12	mcirsta	each doing something
2016-03-02 10:32:15	Haggster66	several "servers" and "receivers" and what not
2016-03-02 10:32:19	mcirsta	one is just for weather
2016-03-02 10:32:44	mcirsta	what I do find really stupid is that some app go like ... oh you need to conenct to your phone to see the license agreement
2016-03-02 10:32:47	mcirsta	seriously ? :D
2016-03-02 10:32:58	Haggster66	lol
2016-03-02 10:33:01	mcirsta	it has a decent screen for God's sake
2016-03-02 10:33:05	Haggster66	amazing.
2016-03-02 10:33:15	mcirsta	show me the f... license agreement :))
2016-03-02 10:33:16	Haggster66	that's why we need an open source smartwatch OS
2016-03-02 10:33:34	mcirsta	still the hardware itself is the best I could find
2016-03-02 10:33:50	mcirsta	battery is smallish but that screen is lovely
2016-03-02 10:34:00	Haggster66	that's the impression I got
2016-03-02 10:34:28	Haggster66	it might not be the most stylish since it's quite big and square, but surely the most functional while still keeping a modern design
2016-03-02 10:34:40	mcirsta	well I kinda like square
2016-03-02 10:34:42	Haggster66	and if samsung knows how to do one thing right, then it's their screens
2016-03-02 10:34:46	mcirsta	at least for a smart watch
2016-03-02 10:34:54	mcirsta	round is not really good for a smart watch
2016-03-02 10:35:04	Haggster66	yeah, it's form over function.
2016-03-02 10:35:09	mcirsta	yes it looks more like a watch but functionality wise I find it worse
2016-03-02 10:35:12	Haggster66	btw, it has 1GB of RAM, right?
2016-03-02 10:35:20	mcirsta	512 as far as I know
2016-03-02 10:35:24	Haggster66	oh ok
2016-03-02 10:35:30	mcirsta	but that's fine
2016-03-02 10:35:35	mcirsta	screen res is small
2016-03-02 10:35:36	Haggster66	with zram yes
2016-03-02 10:35:52	mcirsta	so not that much RAM for GUI stuff I suppose
2016-03-02 10:36:10	mcirsta	just imagine how many more pixels a fullHD display needs
2016-03-02 10:36:44	Haggster66	that's why I don't understand why they keep releasing smartphones with > FullHD resolution
2016-03-02 10:36:55	Haggster66	nobody needs more than 1080p on a phone
2016-03-02 10:37:01	mcirsta	exactly
2016-03-02 10:37:02	Haggster66	it just slows everything down and drains the battery too
2016-03-02 10:37:30	mcirsta	but the marketing department pays you a visit and says ... hey you know 4K on our phone would be amazing :D
2016-03-02 10:37:40	mcirsta	let's do that
2016-03-02 10:37:42	Haggster66	well, they won't get my money through that
2016-03-02 10:37:51	mcirsta	yours no
2016-03-02 10:38:10	mcirsta	but 90% of people will piss their pants when they hear the magical 4K :D
2016-03-02 10:38:11	Haggster66	but your phone is not the new Xiaomi, is it?
2016-03-02 10:38:17	mcirsta	and they can then brag too
2016-03-02 10:38:29	mcirsta	I have 4K on my phone
2016-03-02 10:38:32	mcirsta	take that :))
2016-03-02 10:38:54	Haggster66	what a time to be alive
2016-03-02 10:38:56	mcirsta	besides in their resolution race Samsung and others reached 2K already
2016-03-02 10:39:06	mcirsta	so it's hard to back down now
2016-03-02 10:39:20	mcirsta	eem ... we had 2K on the last model but take fullHD now
2016-03-02 10:39:23	mcirsta	it's enough :))
2016-03-02 10:39:27	Haggster66	right
2016-03-02 10:39:37	Haggster66	but AFAIR that's happened in some cases
2016-03-02 10:39:46	Haggster66	can't remember what manufacturers though
2016-03-02 10:39:47	mcirsta	yeah but it sounds really bad
2016-03-02 10:40:01	mcirsta	hell , I wouldn't do that if I were Samsung :D
2016-03-02 10:40:19	Haggster66	well, their target group is different
2016-03-02 10:40:29	mcirsta	it's like explaining to people they don't need 8 cores or 4 GB of RAM
2016-03-02 10:40:36	Haggster66	I've once read an article on the net, comparing Samsung to a sleazy car dealer, lol!
2016-03-02 10:40:40	mcirsta	it's easier to give it to them :D
2016-03-02 10:40:47	Haggster66	and I couldn't agree more. especially not after that Gear S story
2016-03-02 10:41:16	mcirsta	or given them 10 cores and 6 GB RAM on a mobile phone they'll use to do twitter, FB and Angry Birds :D
2016-03-02 10:41:23	Haggster66	right
2016-03-02 10:41:46	Haggster66	the worst part is that they're quite reluctant to increase the RAM, but they bump up everything else
2016-03-02 10:42:02	Haggster66	most of the top range models are still being released with 3GB max
2016-03-02 10:42:04	mcirsta	RAM  ? they're at 4 GB now, lol
2016-03-02 10:42:12	Haggster66	yeah in some cases
2016-03-02 10:42:23	mcirsta	still , my Redmin Note 2 had 2 GB
2016-03-02 10:42:29	Haggster66	for almost half a year there was only the latest Zenfone which had 4
2016-03-02 10:42:32	Haggster66	the rest had 3
2016-03-02 10:42:41	mcirsta	and I find 1 GB unused most of the time
2016-03-02 10:42:49	Haggster66	that's cool
2016-03-02 10:42:55	Haggster66	my Moto G 2013 only has 1
2016-03-02 10:43:00	mcirsta	not a heavy user though
2016-03-02 10:43:08	mcirsta	well 2GB seems fine to me
2016-03-02 10:43:12	Haggster66	and it can be annoying, especially with Android 5 and 5.1.x's memory leaks
2016-03-02 10:43:16	mcirsta	even one would do but 2 is OK
2016-03-02 10:43:37	mcirsta	Xiaomi has 2 GB on pretty much everything
2016-03-02 10:43:38	Haggster66	but well, somebody ported over Marshmallow from the 2014 model since it's based on the same SoC. that one shouldn't have any mem leaks anymore.
2016-03-02 10:43:41	mcirsta	at least 2 that is
2016-03-02 10:43:58	Haggster66	I've heard that with 4 you rarely get any app reloads at all
2016-03-02 10:44:05	mcirsta	they make surprisingly good phones btw
2016-03-02 10:44:21	mcirsta	honestly I never notices any problem with my 2GB one
2016-03-02 10:44:32	mcirsta	everything is nice and fast
2016-03-02 10:44:37	Haggster66	are you using zram?
2016-03-02 10:44:43	mcirsta	no idea :D
2016-03-02 10:44:52	Haggster66	ah, so you're running stock
2016-03-02 10:44:59	mcirsta	whatever they put into the thing, yes
2016-03-02 10:45:07	mcirsta	I did like to tinker
2016-03-02 10:45:12	mcirsta	but meh, got lazy
2016-03-02 10:45:22	mcirsta	and honestly stock MIUI is quite good
2016-03-02 10:45:29	Haggster66	well, I was doing the same until I figured that there won't be any more OTAs anyway and that there were actually reliable kernels that would enable me to 1. save battery and 2. get better performance at the same time
2016-03-02 10:45:32	mcirsta	I mean it does what it should
2016-03-02 10:45:51	mcirsta	yeah for mine I get updates every week or so
2016-03-02 10:46:00	mcirsta	and official Android 6 is planned
2016-03-02 10:46:21	Haggster66	yeah me too, I tend to keep everything stock nowadays. stock ROMs anyway... I can't stand custom ROMs, lol (Asteriod is a different story though, lol) but I love using good custom kernels that are not being developed by some random kid.
2016-03-02 10:46:42	mcirsta	yeah , not sure there's one for mine
2016-03-02 10:46:51	mcirsta	it has a Mediatek SOC so ...
2016-03-02 10:46:59	mcirsta	not sure they even released the sources
2016-03-02 10:47:04	Haggster66	lol
2016-03-02 10:47:11	mcirsta	but with devicetree it should be easier ?
2016-03-02 10:47:15	mcirsta	hopefully
2016-03-02 10:47:27	Haggster66	no sure tbh
2016-03-02 10:47:49	mcirsta	well it solved the main problem of the config being in the compiled code
2016-03-02 10:48:02	mcirsta	so if you get the code for your SOC
2016-03-02 10:48:13	mcirsta	and then slap on the DT for your specific phone
2016-03-02 10:48:18	mcirsta	it should mostly work
2016-03-02 10:48:26	mcirsta	unless you're missing some drivers
2016-03-02 10:48:31	Haggster66	haven't thought of that
2016-03-02 10:48:36	mcirsta	I had an Allwinner tablet
2016-03-02 10:48:44	mcirsta	and it had their version of a DT
2016-03-02 10:48:56	Haggster66	interesting
2016-03-02 10:48:59	mcirsta	just got a ROM for Allwinner A10 SOC
2016-03-02 10:49:02	Haggster66	I will need to develop for that SoC soon
2016-03-02 10:49:08	Haggster66	isn't the Banana Pi based on that?
2016-03-02 10:49:14	mcirsta	put it on my tablet and everything worked
2016-03-02 10:49:37	mcirsta	but since it wasn't specific for my tablet the touchscreen wasn't working
2016-03-02 10:49:52	mcirsta	I made some changes to the kernel module for that one
2016-03-02 10:50:03	mcirsta	then voila, everything just worked
2016-03-02 10:50:10	mcirsta	I think so , yes
2016-03-02 10:50:11	Haggster66	hehe cool. I'll come back to you for advice then, lol
2016-03-02 10:50:35	mcirsta	Sunxi is the Allwinner community
2016-03-02 10:50:44	Haggster66	ok, I'll note that down
2016-03-02 10:50:49	mcirsta	and they've done loads of nice stuff
2016-03-02 10:51:02	mcirsta	many SOCs even have mainline support
2016-03-02 10:51:25	Haggster66	we're getting some copies of the latest Lemaker boards in the coming days
2016-03-02 10:51:34	Haggster66	and I guess they should all be based on Allwinner
2016-03-02 10:52:17	Haggster66	ok, gotta get my actual work done, hehe
2016-03-02 10:52:22	Haggster66	good luck
2016-03-02 10:52:27	mcirsta	me too
2016-03-02 10:52:32	mcirsta	thanks ,same to you
2016-03-02 10:52:37	Haggster66	cya
2016-03-02 11:24:25	faenil	kido: I tried building asteroid a couple of days ago, ended up with an autoconf-related error in sensorfw, is that a known issue?
2016-03-02 11:24:28	faenil	ERROR: This autoconf log indicates errors, it looked at host include and/or library paths while determining system capabilities.
2016-03-02 11:24:35	faenil	that's all it says
2016-03-02 11:24:48	faenil	I haven't looked into it yet, I wanted to know if it's known before wasting my time on it :)
2016-03-02 11:28:53	faenil	above that there's only qmake output "Reading blablabla" which looks fine
2016-03-02 11:31:34	faenil	for the future: the issue can be found by going into the "build" folder of the project that is returning the error
2016-03-02 11:31:40	faenil	and looking at it's "config.log" file
2016-03-02 11:31:48	faenil	in my case, sensor-fw shows
2016-03-02 11:31:49	faenil	fatal error: hardware/hardware.h: No such file or directory
2016-03-02 11:32:22	TheAppleMan	faenil: i think your system tarball is missing the aosp contents
2016-03-02 11:33:23	faenil	TheAppleMan: looks like that, I wonder why (this is my first OE build, I'm using as test field to learn more about OE)
2016-03-02 11:34:35	TheAppleMan	did you follow https://github.com/AsteroidOS/meta-dory-hybris/blob/master/README-system-dir ?
2016-03-02 11:39:59	TheAppleMan	faenil: is this for a new watch or for one of the existing ones (dory, bass)?
2016-03-02 11:40:36	faenil	TheAppleMan: I don't have a smartwatch, it's just to get into OE build system so that I can modify and adapt to nemomobile on Nokia N950 ;)
2016-03-02 11:42:03	faenil	TheAppleMan: no I didn't know about that file, I followed https://github.com/AsteroidOS/asteroid/wiki/Building-AsteroidOS
2016-03-02 11:42:10	faenil	and there's no mention of anything like that :)
2016-03-02 11:42:47	TheAppleMan	the building astroid os page is for the devices which already have system tarballs made, the readme is about making it
2016-03-02 11:43:10	TheAppleMan	i still think you'll need these headers though, perhaps not the chipset specific stuff
2016-03-02 11:51:01	faenil	TheAppleMan: then I guess the README needs updating :/
2016-03-02 11:51:18	faenil	the build page, I Mean
2016-03-02 11:51:32	faenil	from what it says you clone, give it the "dory" parameter, and it should "just work"
2016-03-02 11:53:18	TheAppleMan	if you're using "dory", then it should pull from kido's system tarball. hmm...
2016-03-02 12:01:31	faenil	:)
2016-03-02 12:12:59	@kido	hey everyone
2016-03-02 12:13:12	@kido	nice to have a backlog to read :)
2016-03-02 12:27:09	@kido	faenil: fetch the lateste meta-asteroid, I may have fixed your problem
2016-03-02 12:27:12	@kido	latest*
2016-03-02 12:27:41	faenil	kido: cool, glad to hear something got fixed :)
2016-03-02 12:28:10	@kido	we should do a device-specific dependency to libhybris but anyway
2016-03-02 12:29:22	@kido	well it might still not fix your whole problem but it was needed anyway :) keep me updated
2016-03-02 12:29:25	@kido	good catch ;)
2016-03-02 12:36:07	faenil	hehe
2016-03-02 12:36:07	faenil	sure
2016-03-02 12:36:16	faenil	I'll try this evening
2016-03-02 12:36:33	faenil	should I autopull the update, or should I manually trigger it by git pull'ing from the right directory?
2016-03-02 12:36:39	faenil	should it* autopull
2016-03-02 12:36:47	@kido	you need to do it manually
2016-03-02 12:37:15	@kido	this is something I need to improve, I created a quick and dirty prepare-build.sh a long time ago just to get started but it is pretty bad
2016-03-02 12:39:26	TheAppleMan	i was going to make it use git-submodules, but a repo manifest would be more android-like
2016-03-02 12:39:49	@kido	mhhh
2016-03-02 12:40:18	@kido	I'm not a fan of git-submodules and I'm really not a fan of repo (for OE) :)
2016-03-02 12:40:50	@kido	I think a friend of mine developed a good tool for building his "Calaos" system
2016-03-02 12:41:15	@kido	I need to check it out when I have the time, if you want to give it a look I can send you the link
2016-03-02 12:41:21	@kido	I only used it once though
2016-03-02 12:44:01	@kido	I think it's there https://github.com/calaos/calaos-os
2016-03-02 12:44:44	@kido	+ if the meta-*-hybris are actually well written we could download them all and include them in the bblayer without messing everything up
2016-03-02 12:44:49	@kido	not sure it's the case yet though
2016-03-02 12:45:04	@kido	but that would mean we could build for a new machine only by changing the MACHINE variable
2016-03-02 12:50:55	TheAppleMan	i'm not sure i'm a fan of that either
2016-03-02 12:51:24	TheAppleMan	^calaos method, not the unified bblayer
2016-03-02 12:52:03	@kido	why wouldn't you like that?
2016-03-02 12:55:13	TheAppleMan	it's still some pretty nasty shell scripts that don't pin the commit from the sub-repositories
2016-03-02 12:57:00	@kido	I understand
2016-03-02 12:58:30	@kido	well we have the choice between improving the current shell script, using git-submodules which I prefer over repo and repo which I find huge for managing <10 layers
2016-03-02 12:58:50	@kido	does git-submodules clone the related repositories when cloning the first one?
2016-03-02 12:59:26	@kido	I mean would "git clone AsteroidOS/asteroid" get the layers at the same time or is an option or another command needed?
2016-03-02 12:59:45	@kido	ok I'll check that
2016-03-02 13:07:52	@kido	http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/MultipleRepositoryMethods
2016-03-02 13:09:34	@kido	according to that link git-submodules seems to have a huge drawback, the fact that we would need to update asteroid every time we change a layer (including meta-oe and so on...)
2016-03-02 13:09:54	@kido	if it's still the case then it would be a pain to maintain
2016-03-02 13:09:59	locusf	I've just used a branch
2016-03-02 13:10:07	locusf	for rpi2 + n950
2016-03-02 13:10:23	@kido	what do you mean?
2016-03-02 13:15:18	User_Unknwn	Hi, I've read that asteroid is only compatible with the urbane and the g watch. Can I use the Urbane version on the GWR or are there some differences between the two apart from the looks?
2016-03-02 13:16:36	mcirsta	saidly I can remember that part about git-submodules
2016-03-02 13:16:55	mcirsta	that you have to update to fetch newer versions of the submodule
2016-03-02 13:17:09	mcirsta	not very nice, you can even forget about it easily
2016-03-02 13:22:02	TheAppleMan	User_Unknwn: we've not tested it against a gwr. it sounds like it might work, but can't confirm
2016-03-02 13:23:18	User_Unknwn	Since I could test it, would it cause an hard brick if the ROM is incompatible, or would the bootloader still work in download mode for me to reflash a working rom?
2016-03-02 13:24:33	TheAppleMan	the current instructions don't overwrite the system partitions or the bootloader, so you can get back to android wear just by rebooting the watch
2016-03-02 13:25:57	@kido	User_Unknwn: you would have absolutely zero problems indeed
2016-03-02 13:26:35	@kido	mcirsta: yes we would even have to automatize it
2016-03-02 13:27:27	@kido	TheAppleMan: that would be super exciting if we could get a single port for all the watches that have the same SoC
2016-03-02 13:27:50	TheAppleMan	kido: what about round/square screens?
2016-03-02 13:27:57	@kido	well, true
2016-03-02 13:29:17	locusf	kido: https://github.com/locusf/nemotablet/tree/bsp-n950
2016-03-02 13:29:57	mcirsta	by the way is there any way to tell in software if the HW screen is round or not ?
2016-03-02 13:30:22	@kido	mhhh, interesting
2016-03-02 13:30:47	@kido	mcirsta: from QML you get a boolean "DeviceInfo.hasRoundScreen"
2016-03-02 13:30:58	mcirsta	sure
2016-03-02 13:31:07	mcirsta	but that info has to come from somewhere
2016-03-02 13:31:15	@kido	ok
2016-03-02 13:31:20	mcirsta	it should probably be in the DT
2016-03-02 13:31:25	mcirsta	or something like that
2016-03-02 13:31:26	@kido	not that I know of
2016-03-02 13:31:34	@kido	no I don't think the devicetree carries info about that
2016-03-02 13:31:39	@kido	probably the android's build.prop
2016-03-02 13:32:07	mcirsta	the way I see a single image being used is by using a DT
2016-03-02 13:32:32	mcirsta	that should in theory allow for a single kernel to be used
2016-03-02 13:32:49	mcirsta	and hmm , the DT should have info about the HW
2016-03-02 13:32:51	@kido	well, that or kernel config but I don't think that android makes the kernel aware of that
2016-03-02 13:33:05	@kido	yes single kernel but anyway the devicetree is packed in the boot.img
2016-03-02 13:33:11	@kido	so you still end up with different boot.img
2016-03-02 13:33:32	mcirsta	maybe find e way to load a different DT
2016-03-02 13:33:42	mcirsta	but I suppose the bootloader does that
2016-03-02 13:34:14	mcirsta	like you have 10 DTs and then when the machine boots up the propper one is used
2016-03-02 13:34:51	mcirsta	probably based on some machine ID or something ...
2016-03-02 13:34:52	@kido	the devicetree is packed after the kernel in the boot.img and the bootloader loads that, there is no other place where we can put the devicetree
2016-03-02 13:35:15	@kido	there is nothing like that
2016-03-02 13:35:23	@kido	at least that I know of
2016-03-02 13:35:27	mcirsta	well while I haven't used a DT like that I'm sure there's a way
2016-03-02 13:35:46	mcirsta	Allwinner used to do that with their custom "FEX" config
2016-03-02 13:35:56	@kido	hi Paaland 
2016-03-02 13:36:01	mcirsta	there would a partition somewhere and the fex file would be there
2016-03-02 13:36:22	mcirsta	and you could just flash a ROM for your SOC
2016-03-02 13:36:27	Paaland	Webpage says LG G Watch and LG W Watch Urbane. Does that also include LG G Watch R (the round version)?
2016-03-02 13:36:38	@kido	ahah Paaland 
2016-03-02 13:36:45	@kido	User_Unknwn is currently trying the same thing ;)
2016-03-02 13:36:59	mcirsta	and both bootloader and kernel would read config from said FEX file
2016-03-02 13:37:47	mcirsta	well not a priority anyway but I'm pretty sure single image with DT and stuff is doable
2016-03-02 13:38:33	vgrade	mcirsta: but there was no way to have multiple fex files and automatic selection on AW
2016-03-02 13:38:50	mcirsta	emm, right
2016-03-02 13:38:53	@kido	hey vgrade, good to see you ;)
2016-03-02 13:39:10	mcirsta	so you'd need to put a DT or something somewhere on your device first
2016-03-02 13:39:18	vgrade	hey kido , day off today so time to chat
2016-03-02 13:39:26	mcirsta	and then have the kernel use that
2016-03-02 13:39:27	@kido	mcirsta: yup, that's the whole point of DT actually
2016-03-02 13:39:40	@kido	can't get further than that
2016-03-02 13:40:00	mcirsta	but once that DT is there on your machine you can then use the same kernel for all
2016-03-02 13:40:40	mcirsta	so single image still sounds doable , but it would have to be the second stage , first stage would be custom , to get the specific DT somewhere
2016-03-02 13:42:44	@kido	well it would still a *lot* of effort just to move the DT out of the boot.img, I'm not sure it'd really be useful
2016-03-02 13:43:53	mcirsta	well I don't know about useful but ... it would be nice
2016-03-02 13:44:04	@kido	:)
2016-03-02 13:44:06	mcirsta	as I was saying it's not important for nice
2016-03-02 13:44:08	mcirsta	for now
2016-03-02 13:44:38	mcirsta	btw kido do you know anything about GPS and stuff ?
2016-03-02 13:44:43	mcirsta	does anyone around here ?
2016-03-02 13:45:02	@kido	well I definitely want to push things toward a single kernel tree to ease the maintaining on the long term but I'm not sure putting the DT out of boot.img would be any good
2016-03-02 13:45:13	@kido	no, I've never worked with GPS
2016-03-02 13:45:17	mcirsta	my watch has a GPS and it will be interesting to provide support
2016-03-02 13:45:30	mcirsta	right now it's pretty slow
2016-03-02 13:45:38	mcirsta	Android does it faster somehow
2016-03-02 13:45:45	mcirsta	need to find out how
2016-03-02 13:45:51	@kido	:)
2016-03-02 13:46:08	@kido	oh by the way I think that someone at FOSDEM told me about an android port to the gear s
2016-03-02 13:46:18	mcirsta	yep
2016-03-02 13:46:27	mcirsta	not interested one bit in it though
2016-03-02 13:46:47	@kido	sure but it means asteroid will be able to run on it too
2016-03-02 13:47:07	@kido	TheAppleMan: are you sure the G Watch R has the same SoC as the Urbane ?
2016-03-02 13:47:13	mcirsta	well I don't see what the problem is with it running on an image based on Tizen :D
2016-03-02 13:47:16	@kido	it seems that it is the same as the G Watch
2016-03-02 13:47:28	mcirsta	Tizen seems like propper GNU/Linux
2016-03-02 13:47:41	mcirsta	even has Wayland if I remember correctly
2016-03-02 13:47:56	@kido	mcirsta: you mean, you would want to make asteroid-launcher run on top of tizen?
2016-03-02 13:47:57	mcirsta	of course there's work for me to do but sounds doable
2016-03-02 13:48:01	locusf	upstream does use wayland
2016-03-02 13:48:06	mcirsta	kido: yep
2016-03-02 13:48:07	locusf	but the tizen watch is x11
2016-03-02 13:48:09	@kido	mhhh
2016-03-02 13:48:19	locusf	javispedro showed me
2016-03-02 13:48:20	@kido	I don't think you want to go that way
2016-03-02 13:48:26	mcirsta	why no ?
2016-03-02 13:48:28	mcirsta	not
2016-03-02 13:48:48	TheAppleMan	kido: absolutely not
2016-03-02 13:49:13	mcirsta	I do want a real GNU/Linux on it anyway
2016-03-02 13:49:21	@kido	because of all the deps, you won't be able to use OE to build that
2016-03-02 13:49:43	mcirsta	I wonder why they went with x11 anyway
2016-03-02 13:50:10	mcirsta	well I'll see
2016-03-02 13:50:36	@kido	+ we still don't know how the tizen part was built
2016-03-02 13:50:54	mcirsta	well hmm
2016-03-02 13:51:08	mcirsta	I'm sure I want Android or Android stuff on it
2016-03-02 13:51:20	mcirsta	so I'll look for a GNU/Linux solution
2016-03-02 13:51:24	mcirsta	whatever that might be
2016-03-02 13:51:33	mcirsta	I've downloaded something from Samsung
2016-03-02 13:51:38	mcirsta	need to see what's in there
2016-03-02 13:51:46	@kido	TheAppleMan: http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/7c902f27 I took "APQ8026" from here
2016-03-02 13:51:46	mcirsta	it's much more than the kernel
2016-03-02 13:52:00	mcirsta	seems like the entire build system or something
2016-03-02 13:52:14	@kido	ok, keep me updated
2016-03-02 13:53:04	mcirsta	I will , jobs interviews are done
2016-03-02 13:53:11	@kido	cool :)
2016-03-02 13:53:12	mcirsta	so I have time to check it out now
2016-03-02 13:53:35	@kido	are you gonna start with qemu?
2016-03-02 13:53:40	mcirsta	yes
2016-03-02 13:53:45	@kido	alright
2016-03-02 13:53:48	mcirsta	that's the first thing I want to try
2016-03-02 13:54:04	mcirsta	need to see what's the state of qemu on my distro first though :D
2016-03-02 13:54:06	@kido	it will be the proof of concept to make everything run without a single bit of android wrap
2016-03-02 13:54:10	mcirsta	I'm the maintainer for it :)
2016-03-02 13:54:15	@kido	ah nice :)
2016-03-02 13:54:18	@kido	what distro is it
2016-03-02 13:54:23	mcirsta	Frugalware
2016-03-02 13:54:31	mcirsta	sort of like Arch
2016-03-02 13:54:32	@kido	mhh you might know Devil505 then
2016-03-02 13:54:37	mcirsta	ah yes
2016-03-02 13:54:40	mcirsta	of course
2016-03-02 13:54:45	TheAppleMan	isn't that an msm8226/msm8x26? which would be the same in dory and bass
2016-03-02 13:54:51	@kido	I knew him well
2016-03-02 13:55:07	mcirsta	me too but he retired from FW some time ago so ...
2016-03-02 13:55:14	mcirsta	he did a good job while at it though :)
2016-03-02 13:55:47	@kido	TheAppleMan: there will be a way to factorize everything for sure but I still haven't worked on that yet
2016-03-02 13:56:37	@kido	yes he moved on to the elementaryos-fr community and is now working on a darktable-fr website
2016-03-02 13:56:50	mcirsta	funny thing you know, I just thought of it ... how easy it usually is to collaborate with open source folks
2016-03-02 13:57:10	mcirsta	and considering how "special" most of us are ... it's no small thing :))
2016-03-02 13:57:30	mcirsta	it's so much harder to work with people in a company
2016-03-02 13:57:41	mcirsta	at least where I've worked
2016-03-02 13:58:50	mcirsta	anyway ... back to work :D
2016-03-02 13:59:00	mcirsta	I'll look at some qemu and stuff in the evening
2016-03-02 13:59:03	@kido	well, I heard stories about despotic open-source projects leaders which ruined the community effort, I hope I'm not one of these :)
2016-03-02 13:59:49	mcirsta	you don't seem like one, no ... but as far as people share the same major goals it's easy
2016-03-02 14:00:24	mcirsta	like if you insisted on having bits of Android or something and that's a must I would have not liked it :D
2016-03-02 14:00:31	@kido	probably
2016-03-02 14:00:40	mcirsta	for the minor things people can agree on it
2016-03-02 14:00:51	@kido	that wouldn't be despotic that would be stupid
2016-03-02 14:00:57	mcirsta	well at least in theory
2016-03-02 14:01:06	mcirsta	well sometimes people have their reasons
2016-03-02 14:01:29	mcirsta	I mean ... they had GNU/Linux and yet insisted on creating the crap called Android :D
2016-03-02 14:01:46	mcirsta	and putting all that effort into it
2016-03-02 14:01:50	mcirsta	so yeah ...
2016-03-02 14:02:52	mcirsta	my main problem with Android is that I don't trust it, I don't trust it to be efficient and run nicely on my HW
2016-03-02 14:03:23	mcirsta	and especially for a watch I want to squeeze all I can from it
2016-03-02 14:03:40	mcirsta	not having God knows what running in the background and such
2016-03-02 14:03:42	@kido	why do you use MIUI then ;) chinese proprietary UI, doesn't smell very good to me
2016-03-02 14:03:58	mcirsta	hell it's not like I'm a big fan
2016-03-02 14:04:11	mcirsta	but I don't have time to hack everything I own :D
2016-03-02 14:04:14	@kido	sure
2016-03-02 14:04:24	mcirsta	and if you throw enough resources at it it's fine :D
2016-03-02 14:04:52	mcirsta	8 core 2.2 Ghz SOC and 2 GB RAM , 32 GB flash and 3000 mAh battery and it's fine :)
2016-03-02 14:05:00	@kido	but I would put more trust on the android base than on the MIUI part
2016-03-02 14:05:40	mcirsta	yep , I kindof agree but I'm not interested in hacking it ... it works well enough
2016-03-02 14:05:53	mcirsta	I would if I had time or someone paid me or such :)
2016-03-02 14:06:22	mcirsta	I would have loved to have something like Sailfish on it but ...
2016-03-02 14:06:28	mcirsta	you can't have it all
2016-03-02 14:07:22	@kido	yes
2016-03-02 14:07:51	mcirsta	not really worth it that much now though
2016-03-02 14:08:17	mcirsta	these days Android phones have such HW that even crappy Android or MIUI runs nicely :)
2016-03-02 14:09:30	mcirsta	when they put 4 A72s and 4 GB of RAM  + 4000 mAh battery in them ... it'll fly not matter how crappy your OS is :)
2016-03-02 14:10:15	mcirsta	sure it would be nice to save battery, have something that's open but I'm not interested in it right now
2016-03-02 16:27:51	M-bobsummerwill	WOOT!  http://www.xda-developers.com/asteroidos-is-an-open-source-alternative-to-android-wear/
2016-03-02 16:30:23	@kido	M-bobsummerwill: yes :D
2016-03-02 16:41:43	Nokius	just saw the tweet o/
2016-03-02 17:19:12	@kido	Nokius: about battery life? :)
2016-03-02 17:22:36	TheAppleMan	i'm getting (slightly) better battery life with the new fixes. the battery counter doesn't decrease while i'm looking at it :P
2016-03-02 17:25:56	@kido	nice :)
2016-03-02 17:26:03	@kido	it shouldn't be "slight" though
2016-03-02 17:26:11	@kido	on the G watch it was more "life changing" ;)
2016-03-02 17:27:51	TheAppleMan	i lost 20% in about 6 hours (with medium usage)
2016-03-02 17:31:26	@kido	strange, I have better results
2016-03-02 18:48:55	locusf	ok unlocking zenwatch bootloader
2016-03-02 18:49:47	@kido	yay :D
2016-03-02 18:50:07	@kido	try to directly run the prebuilt images, they might even work out of the box, who knows
2016-03-02 19:08:27	locusf	meh
2016-03-02 19:08:31	locusf	whats the fun in that :)
2016-03-02 19:11:30	locusf	and github doesn't resolv
2016-03-02 19:26:40	@kido	can't wait for your results :D
2016-03-02 19:28:07	locusf	pushing kernel, news ->
2016-03-02 19:28:16	locusf	will probably continue tomorrow evening
2016-03-02 19:28:37	@kido	ok :)
2016-03-02 20:07:25	locusf	meh
2016-03-02 20:07:26	locusf	too cool
2016-03-02 20:07:31	locusf	didn't wanna watch the news
2016-03-02 20:20:47	locusf	do I need root to pull /system ?
2016-03-02 20:26:26	@kido	I don't think so
2016-03-02 20:26:34	@kido	but to explore the partitions in /dev/ you do
2016-03-02 20:27:08	@kido	hi Solidsnake 
2016-03-02 20:27:15	Solidsnake	Hey im looking at getting AsteroidOS on zenwatch 2
2016-03-02 20:27:21	@kido	yay
2016-03-02 20:27:30	@kido	locusf is working on the zenwatch at this very moment
2016-03-02 20:27:40	@kido	(zenwatch 1??
2016-03-02 20:27:46	@kido	you might be able to share efforts
2016-03-02 20:27:55	@kido	I think it's once again the same SoC, gotta check
2016-03-02 20:28:07	Solidsnake	The zenwatch 2 adds wifi
2016-03-02 20:28:35	@kido	ah, then it must be the 8926 which works on the urbane
2016-03-02 20:29:15	@kido	have you given a look at this page https://github.com/AsteroidOS/asteroid/wiki/Porting-Guide ?
2016-03-02 20:29:21	locusf	zw1
2016-03-02 20:29:53	@kido	if you do, do you think you would be able to do those things? (compile a kernel, build android...)
2016-03-02 20:30:41	Solidsnake	Well the problem is I only have my remix ultra tablet. No pc ATM
2016-03-02 20:31:17	Solidsnake	and im really not good at coding
2016-03-02 20:33:26	@kido	it does not require any coding skill
2016-03-02 20:34:36	Solidsnake	Will i be able to create and backup the orginal OS with twrp
2016-03-02 20:35:31	@kido	sure
2016-03-02 20:39:17	Nokius_	kido: no xda tweet about Asteroid
2016-03-02 20:39:39	Nokius_	is TheAppleMan = applehq?
2016-03-02 20:41:40	TheAppleMan	Nokius_: yes
2016-03-02 20:42:25	Nokius	TheAppleMan: u are in Tokyo or?
2016-03-02 20:43:03	TheAppleMan	Nokius: no i'm a londoner
2016-03-02 20:43:24	Nokius	ah ok also a nice city
2016-03-02 20:43:26	Nokius	:)
2016-03-02 20:49:27	@kido	Nokius: https://twitter.com/xdadevelopers/status/705051843953614849 ?
2016-03-02 20:50:44	@kido	oh ok I understood ahah
2016-03-02 20:50:45	@kido	sorry
2016-03-02 20:54:08	Nokius	np
2016-03-02 21:25:47	iLeonidze	Hi guys!
2016-03-02 21:26:18	TheAppleMan	Hi iLeonidze!!
2016-03-02 21:27:19	iLeonidze	Is any way to port AsteroidOS to Mediatek's smart watches?
2016-03-02 21:27:39	iLeonidze	I heard that they have something like pre-Android used
2016-03-02 21:36:55	TheAppleMan	kido: ping^
2016-03-02 21:37:18	@kido	hey iLeonidze
2016-03-02 21:37:28	iLeonidze	Hi!
2016-03-02 21:37:45	@kido	yes asteroid could work MTK SoC with hybris
2016-03-02 21:37:56	@kido	work on*
2016-03-02 21:39:46	iLeonidze	Hmm, but here it is the problem - how to flash the OS to this watches? Currently we can modifu only watch-skins because of ROM-dump modification  and nothing else
2016-03-02 21:41:04	iLeonidze	+ some models such as GT80 have only 16-64mb RAM, that is too small
2016-03-02 21:41:18	@kido	what's the current way for flashing the work that has been done from dumps?
2016-03-02 21:41:58	iLeonidze	1 sec
2016-03-02 21:44:08	@kido	I can't find any GT80
2016-03-02 21:44:35	iLeonidze	Sorry, GT08
2016-03-02 21:44:50	iLeonidze	http://ru.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Smart-Watch-GT08-Clock-Sync-Notifier-Support-Sim-Card-Bluetooth-Connectivity-For-Apple-iphone-Android/32594109637.html?spm=2114.10010208.100005.1.I38NjF&isOrig=true&isOrigTitle=true
2016-03-02 21:45:06	iLeonidze	For example - the cheapest model from all
2016-03-02 21:46:43	iLeonidze	Okay. First prepairing FlashTool by installing drivers and starting to listen COM-port, after that, when device is ready and started charging - starting readback process
2016-03-02 21:47:49	iLeonidze	After that we will have a backup file consist of BL.BIN, ExtBL, ROM, VIVA and GT08_RU.cfg
2016-03-02 21:48:02	dr_gogeta86	iLeonidze, i've posted something time ago
2016-03-02 21:49:09	iLeonidze	dr_gogeta86, just joined, sorry for duplicating :D
2016-03-02 21:50:26	iLeonidze	Well, and what is the solution of my question? Is there any chance to do smth like that?
2016-03-02 21:52:07	iLeonidze	AsteroidOS looks like a cure for this poor chinese firmwares
2016-03-02 21:52:27	dr_gogeta86	is this ?
2016-03-02 21:52:28	dr_gogeta86	http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=06.%20Thoughts&proj=06.%20Android%20M%20on%20zWatch
2016-03-02 21:54:04	@kido	dr_gogeta86: zWatch isn't MTK is it?
2016-03-02 21:54:39	dr_gogeta86	nope
2016-03-02 21:55:04	dr_gogeta86	mtk is more like then advanced mcu
2016-03-02 21:55:09	@kido	iLeonidze: great I'm looking forward those files
2016-03-02 21:55:42	iLeonidze	I can give link, but it in Russian
2016-03-02 21:55:54	@kido	I'm checking the tools available on xda for those soc
2016-03-02 21:56:30	iLeonidze	http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=658007&st=260#entry43782997
2016-03-02 21:56:34	@kido	maybe with gtranslate I can understand something
2016-03-02 21:56:56	iLeonidze	If you want smth to be translated, I can help, no problems
2016-03-02 21:57:11	@kido	:)
2016-03-02 21:57:40	@kido	I'm a bit busy, will you be available in two hours?
2016-03-02 21:58:06	iLeonidze	Currently I have a 11:58PM :D
2016-03-02 21:58:17	dr_gogeta86	i'm recompiling asteroid from scratch
2016-03-02 21:58:54	dr_gogeta86	barelly i'm at a third
2016-03-02 21:59:53	@kido	iLeonidze: cool, let's explore that a little bit later then. It would be a cool platform
2016-03-02 21:59:55	TheAppleMan	i compile the bass image on a 1.1GHz dual core and it takes a day
2016-03-02 22:01:00	iLeonidze	@kido if you think that we can port it, I can buy one to test
2016-03-02 22:01:25	@kido	iLeonidze: let's see
2016-03-02 23:46:42	@kido	there we go iLeonidze :)
2016-03-02 23:46:51	iLeonidze	Heyyy
2016-03-02 23:47:48	@kido	ok so GT08 seems to be MTK6260A
2016-03-02 23:47:57	iLeonidze	Yes
2016-03-02 23:48:40	iLeonidze	MTK6261A/D is extremely cutted, no custom firmwares available
2016-03-02 23:49:55	@kido	are you sure this thing is running android? because I don't think that android runs on 16-64mb of RAM
2016-03-02 23:51:38	iLeonidze	@kido, as I already said this thing is running on smth similar to android. Something cutted :D
2016-03-02 23:51:51	@kido	mhh
2016-03-02 23:53:01	iLeonidze	@kido well, I opened the RAM-file and found somth similar to android. So yes, it is running, but what exactly - I dont know
2016-03-02 23:54:10	@kido	http://www.xda-developers.com/have-you-paid-your-linux-kernel-source-license-fee/ mediatek seems like a serious piece of crap
2016-03-02 23:54:24	iLeonidze	Chinese :D
2016-03-02 23:58:27	@kido	ok so those guys did reverse-engineering on the MTK6260 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297