2016-06-29 11:35:12	@kido	hi bebecede
2016-06-29 11:35:26	@kido	interested in asteroid ?
2016-06-29 11:47:47	bebecede	yes
2016-06-29 11:47:50	bebecede	hi
2016-06-29 11:47:52	bebecede	:)
2016-06-29 11:49:23	bebecede	looking fpr more infos how to support ux/ui
2016-06-29 11:51:58	SylvieMobile	Cool to see so much interest in this project these days :)
2016-06-29 12:11:27	@kido	bebecede: that's really great ! It's been a while I was waiting for a designer to come here :)
2016-06-29 12:14:35	@kido	bebecede: so basically I would love to get mockups of better UI for the current apps, or watchfaces, or UI elements that would be cool on watches
2016-06-29 12:15:08	bebecede	where can I find old mockups that should be redesigned ?
2016-06-29 12:15:54	@kido	on the UX side of things if you find a video of the current launcher and have an idea in mind for a better "workflow" that would also be interesting
2016-06-29 12:17:51	@kido	I won't be home for the next 9 hours but I can take you an up to date video of asteroid tonight so that you can get the current look and feel
2016-06-29 12:17:54	bebecede	where can I find that video ?
2016-06-29 12:18:09	bebecede	and is it possible to test it virtually ?
2016-06-29 12:18:57	bebecede	sure. I was looking for a project like this for a while
2016-06-29 12:19:04	bebecede	sounds really exciting !
2016-06-29 12:19:10	@kido	I tried to redesign some apps to get a more "flat" feelings but it is not fantastic, I would really prefer to get your advices :)
2016-06-29 12:19:39	bebecede	you mean direction of androids material design ?
2016-06-29 12:32:50	@kido	I'm not very fan of using material design in asteroid since I don't want it to look like a copy of android wear
2016-06-29 12:34:10	@kido	do you mind waiting for tonight so that I can send you all the things I have in mind ?
2016-06-29 12:35:05	@kido	or let me your email address and I will send you the info when I get to my computer
2016-06-29 12:38:35	bebecede	sure.
2016-06-29 12:39:02	bebecede	Ofcourse I didnt mean copying the material design. U used a word "flat" therfore I got the associations :)
2016-06-29 12:39:15	bebecede	please send me an email at bebechiyo at protonmail.com
2016-06-29 12:55:47	SylvieMobile	bebecede: I think kido means this video: https://twitter.com/AsteroidOS/status/680023780291383297
2016-06-29 12:56:20	SylvieMobile	Oh, sorry, that one is probably a bit outdated
2016-06-29 12:59:50	bebecede	ok. i watched it anyway
2016-06-29 13:06:27	@kido	yes this video is a little bit outdated, a couple of things changed
2016-06-29 13:07:03	@kido	but it can already give you an idea, we have "real multitasking", I don't know if it's a good or bad idea
2016-06-29 13:07:31	SylvieMobile	You mean that "running apps" screen? It reminds me of SailfishOS, I quite like that idea
2016-06-29 13:07:41	SylvieMobile	I'll see if I like it in practice once I have my watch :P
2016-06-29 13:12:52	bebecede	Very interesting. I will be waiting for an email from you kido !
2016-06-29 13:12:57	bebecede	For now I gotta go, talk to you soon !
2016-06-29 13:13:18	@kido	bebecede: great ! see you soon :)
2016-06-29 13:13:41	@kido	SylvieMobile: yep that screen, no other smartwatch os has that
2016-06-29 13:14:09	SylvieMobile	Cool, something for me to be hipster about :D
2016-06-29 13:14:30	SylvieMobile	"Oh, multitasking? Pff, AsteroidOS had that for a while already" :P
2016-06-29 13:14:39	@kido	ahah right, I'm not sure how hipster asteroid should be though
2016-06-29 13:15:32	@kido	this is not necesarily bad, I just prefer to let a designer/thr community choose those things for/with me :)
2016-06-29 13:16:03	SylvieMobile	As long as it's libre I don't care that much (although I must say I find the current design, based on screenshots, fairly nice)
2016-06-29 13:16:19	SylvieMobile	But seeing how you wear an RMS shirt on your GitHub profile... I don't think I need to worry :P
2016-06-29 13:17:48	@kido	ahah nice catch
2016-06-29 13:19:07	SylvieMobile	I still can't believe I missed your talk at FOSDEM. Oh well, at least I could read the slides
2016-06-29 13:19:23	SylvieMobile	I could've already known about Asteroid a lot earlier, but alas
2016-06-29 13:19:39	@kido	oh you were there ? too bad it wasn't filmed
2016-06-29 13:20:09	@kido	you missed my nice french accent
2016-06-29 13:20:29	@kido	next talk will be in berlin in september for QtCon
2016-06-29 13:20:31	SylvieMobile	I went to the Replicant talk so I heard enough french accent :P
2016-06-29 13:20:52	@kido	and possibly paris in november for open source summit http://student.opensourcesummit.paris/projet/asteroidos/
2016-06-29 13:21:13	SylvieMobile	QtCon seems expensive
2016-06-29 13:21:14	@kido	I think the replicant guy is from the same city as me
2016-06-29 13:21:26	SylvieMobile	Et je ne parle pas francais so :P
2016-06-29 13:21:55	SylvieMobile	The Replicant guy is a pretty cool person
2016-06-29 13:22:00	@kido	mhh for me it was free for "community member" but I don't know if community member meant speaker or just enthusiast
2016-06-29 13:23:18	@kido	I had to give a talk right after him in toulouse in november but the event was canceled due to the attacks in paris so our talks were canceled and I never had the chance to meet him
2016-06-29 13:36:35	SylvieMobile	By the way, is there any chance for the Android companion app to be published on F-Droid? Even if it doesn't do much yet... :P
2016-06-29 13:41:00	@kido	definitely
2016-06-29 13:41:09	@kido	it's just too early yet
2016-06-29 13:42:07	SylvieMobile	Great, I'll see it arrive in F-Droid some day then
2016-06-29 14:07:28	SylvieMobile	How does updating AsteroidOS work, by the way? Send a new image over adb and reboot? Does that cause data loss?
2016-06-29 14:11:36	@kido	well... the current way is to push a new rootfs but 1- it causes personal data loss and 2- it destroys the nand when done too often
2016-06-29 14:12:19	@kido	I probably flashed mine several hundreds of time and it is still ok but it's a really bad habit
2016-06-29 14:13:04	SylvieMobile	Ouch, that sounds bad
2016-06-29 14:13:08	@kido	however, OpenEmbedded is able to generate an opkg repository of the built recipes
2016-06-29 14:14:12	@kido	and the default image has an opkg util. if you manage to setup the network over usb or wifi, you can run a python instance of simplehttpserver in the OE's generated packages repository and use it from the watch
2016-06-29 14:14:34	@kido	and then you get simple package management to upgrade what you want
2016-06-29 14:15:21	@kido	but networking over USB is something I'm not very good at and although we have some basic rndis results if anyone wants to explore this topic that would be cool :)
2016-06-29 14:16:38	SylvieMobile	Sounds like a lot of work, guess I should just not update too much for the time being
2016-06-29 14:36:45	@kido	well there aren't that many updates
2016-06-29 14:37:09	@kido	and if you just want to update an app you adb push the binary to /usr/bin and done
2016-06-29 14:37:41	SylvieMobile	Okay
2016-06-29 14:38:16	@kido	but for example I will soon move to Qt 5.6, I used it on my watch for days now and it works ok, this is the kind of things that would need opkg or a new rootfs
2016-06-29 14:38:36	SylvieMobile	I see
2016-06-29 15:39:53	Asara	morning friends
2016-06-29 15:40:11	SylvieMobile	Afternoon Asara
2016-06-29 15:40:24	Asara	i wish :P
2016-06-29 15:40:31	 *	Asara is stilly sleepy
2016-06-29 15:44:56	Asara	kido: when are you going to give a talk in NYC?
2016-06-29 15:45:02	Asara	first rounds on me ;)
2016-06-29 15:45:34	@kido	hi Asara :)
2016-06-29 15:46:36	@kido	well the problem is that as a student I don't have much money to spend on traveling and lodging so I have to find events large enough to pay my flight to new york, which is quite expensive !
2016-06-29 15:47:19	@kido	but if there is this kind of event then that would of course be a pleasure ! :)
2016-06-29 15:49:09	Asara	I will let you crash at my apartment
2016-06-29 15:49:12	Asara	but i can't afford the ticket :P
2016-06-29 15:50:29	@kido	thanks for the offer ! of course, I understand the ticket is too expensive :)
2016-06-29 15:52:57	Asara	so kido how can I help this project/
2016-06-29 15:53:02	Asara	I'm a systems guy most of all
2016-06-29 15:53:07	Asara	design is my weakest point
2016-06-29 15:53:08	Asara	:)
2016-06-29 15:56:26	@kido	https://github.com/AsteroidOS/asteroid/wiki/TODO-List so yeah there are basically four ways to help yet: UI/UX, QML development (apps, components, watchfaces), porting to new devices (needs other watches) or "core design" stuff like booting up, security, networking, tweaking the daemons, making the image lighter or whatever
2016-06-29 15:57:21	@kido	you seem to be more interested about the latest point
2016-06-29 15:59:06	@kido	if you feel like playing with this, you will need to become friend with OpenEmbedded and recipes writting. we can think about a couple of things that can be improved
2016-06-29 16:00:52	@kido	there are other exotic tasks like writting a solid protocol spec the BLE standard, develop the AsteroidOSSync's java code, tweak the rebuilt parts of android to get rid of some more blobs...
2016-06-29 16:01:42	 *	Asara reads up on openembedded
2016-06-29 16:01:57	@kido	if you want to play with hybris there are still things to do to support the sensors, the guys from sailfishos-porters will be helpful on that
2016-06-29 16:02:58	@kido	if you are interested in getting a 100% free watch you can also take a look at getting freedreno working on your urbane but it probably needs mainline backporting which is a huge deal
2016-06-29 16:03:34	@kido	overall just try to have fun with your watch :)
2016-06-29 16:03:39	Asara	:)
2016-06-29 16:03:41	Asara	tahnks
2016-06-29 16:09:15	@kido	cleaning the systemd's services would be nice too, ahah. last time I checked, the boot was broken with a newer version of systemd
2016-06-29 16:12:36	SylvieMobile	I'd suggest using another init system altogether but that's mostly because I'm not a fan of systemd :P
2016-06-29 16:13:40	@kido	well, most of the packages from nemomobile come with a systemd service so I kept it, I'm not a fan either
2016-06-29 16:14:03	SylvieMobile	That's a fair reason
2016-06-29 16:14:21	SylvieMobile	There's enough work to do without replacing systemd, clearly :P
2016-06-29 16:14:21	@kido	overall, I think it still gets the job done (once configured) and we should keep it
2016-06-29 16:14:34	@kido	indeed ! :)
2016-06-29 16:42:33	SylvieMobile	Well, compiling AsteroidOS was really easy, that's cool. Now I just need to wait for the watch to arrive :P
2016-06-29 16:42:33	SylvieMobile	I'm used to manual compiling being more complicated
2016-06-29 16:42:50	SylvieMobile	But bitbake is really simple and needs no help
2016-06-29 17:51:07	Asara	god I remember the arch linux sysvinit->systemd change
2016-06-29 17:51:09	Asara	and how much shit it broke
2016-06-29 17:51:11	 *	Asara shivers
2016-06-29 17:51:14	Asara	but now systemd is here
2016-06-29 17:51:19	Asara	and we must accept it
2016-06-29 17:51:28	 *	Asara uses openRC with gentoo on his laptop 
2016-06-29 17:51:28	Asara	:P
2016-06-29 18:16:17	@kido	didn't know openRC :)
2016-06-29 18:16:23	@kido	hi Lrs121
2016-06-29 18:16:35	Lrs121	hellow
2016-06-29 18:18:01	@kido	hellow, hellow, hellow, how low
2016-06-29 18:18:15	@kido	what's up Lrs121 ?
2016-06-29 18:18:30	Lrs121	not much ran into an error building the kernel.
2016-06-29 18:19:19	@kido	yes, I was waiting for you to paste me the error
2016-06-29 18:19:53	@kido	you don't have to wait when joining IRC, just bring your problems ! :)
2016-06-29 18:20:28	Lrs121	i made it as an issue on github. https://github.com/Lrs121/meta-sparrow-hybris/issues/1
2016-06-29 18:21:02	Lrs121	I need to grab the new logs, i modified the defconfig with the check_defconfig script
2016-06-29 18:22:49	@kido	oh sorry I'm not notified of those issues, let me check it
2016-06-29 18:23:07	Lrs121	no problem, it just made it easier for me to track
2016-06-29 18:23:17	@kido	I will try to cook you a patch once I get home in a few hours
2016-06-29 18:24:04	Lrs121	sounds good. ive got a new build running to see if the errors are different
2016-06-29 18:24:32	@kido	cool everythink is built it's just a known  error when linking
2016-06-29 18:24:43	@kido	everything*
2016-06-29 18:25:17	Lrs121	ah ok
2016-06-29 18:26:30	@kido	https://github.com/AsteroidOS/meta-bass-hybris/blob/master/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-bass/0001-static-inline-in-ARM-ftrace.h.patch
2016-06-29 18:26:53	@kido	copy that patch in the same directory of your layer
2016-06-29 18:27:39	@kido	and use it like this https://github.com/AsteroidOS/meta-bass-hybris/blob/master/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-bass_lp-mr1.bb#L12
2016-06-29 18:29:35	@kido	sorry there is another error I haven't seen
2016-06-29 18:30:55	@kido	we need to define ASUS_SW_VER or just don't use it
2016-06-29 18:38:04	Lrs121	that should be save to remove i believe, unless its needed by the bootloader
2016-06-29 18:38:53	@kido	https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/3aea12a00ad1630b70edd8ac0a896ee1b9e4f601%5E%21/#F14
2016-06-29 18:39:20	@kido	yes they added that as part of the huge mess they carry around between kernels
2016-06-29 18:40:47	@kido	it's not needed you can replace ASUS_SW_VER by say...  1?
2016-06-29 18:43:25	Lrs121	kernels arent my forte, do i drop that into the defconfig?
2016-06-29 18:44:59	@kido	go to your build/tmp-glibc/work/sparrow.../linux-sparrow/3.10.../git/ directory, modify that line, try to compile with ../temp/run.do_compile and once it works git add kernel/printk.c, git commit, git format-patch HEAD~, mv 000*.patch ...../src/meta-sparrow-hybris/recipes-kernel/linux/linux/ and add the file:// line to your recipe's SRC_URI
2016-06-29 18:46:07	@kido	rebuild and it should be  automated
2016-06-29 18:46:13	Lrs121	ok
2016-06-29 20:11:59	Lrs121	there seems to be a line that is commented out which sets the ASUS_SW_VER variable to the kernel version. eg. .kernel_version = ASUS_SW_VER
2016-06-29 20:12:25	Lrs121	shall i just uncomment that or set it to 1
2016-06-29 21:13:46	@kido	uncomment it in defconfig :)
2016-06-29 21:22:35	Lrs121	Thats located in the same file as where the error is reporting $ kernel/printk.c
2016-06-29 21:24:43	Lrs121	https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-msm-sparrow-3.10-marshmallow-mr1-wear-release/kernel/printk.c#978
2016-06-29 22:24:54	@kido	no it's not the same thing
2016-06-29 22:58:44	Lrs121	im unsure which flag youre talking about in the defconfig
2016-06-29 23:39:28	@kido	damn, missed him