2016-08-14 11:53:56	SylvieLorxu	Has the Slovak/Hungarian or Polish translator come in here to discuss the app names? I'm starting to feel we need another system for that because people don't seem to actually read those instructions :(
2016-08-14 11:54:20	SylvieLorxu	Maybe I shouldn't have added Slovak/Hungarian to supported-languages until that was all done :/
2016-08-14 13:01:59	@kido	no he didn't but I'll be able to ask him next time I meet him ;)
2016-08-14 13:16:42	SylvieLorxu	Okay good
2016-08-14 13:17:49	SylvieLorxu	What should the policy on that be, by the way? Add it to supported-languages when translations are basically complete, or wait until the app names are updates too? I don't want to end up in a "We want it perfect so won't accept good" situation, but I'm afraid people may not even come here unless it's "not working"
2016-08-14 13:18:26	SylvieLorxu	s/updates/updated/
2016-08-14 14:06:39	@kido	what list of supported languages are you talking about? I believe that we should need app names
2016-08-14 14:31:21	SylvieLorxu	https://github.com/AsteroidOS/supported-languages
2016-08-14 14:31:38	SylvieLorxu	The one that populates the Languages option in Settings so you can actually choose the language
2016-08-14 15:28:00	@kido	oh right, we can probably list everythinganyway those strings are probably constantly changing
2016-08-14 15:29:03	@kido	 once we need to publish a release we will only keep the full translations
2016-08-14 15:31:18	SylvieLorxu	QLinguist will automatically use the "source" (the stuff in qsTr() in the QML files) if there is no translation for that entry, which is probably acceptable. Adding languages to the option menu we have no translations for makes no sense, but for example the Polish translations are done too now, but I haven't seen them in here and the app names probably aren't translated to Polish
2016-08-14 15:31:33	SylvieLorxu	I still feel like adding Polish to supported-languages because it's better to have something than nothing
2016-08-14 15:31:49	SylvieLorxu	But it's a bit of an issue that it's so hard to get a hold of the translators
2016-08-14 15:33:17	SylvieLorxu	If we could just mail them we could ask for the app name translations but hmm :(
2016-08-14 15:35:39	SylvieLorxu	Oh hey look at this, apparently Qt does support translating .desktop files, see "Desktop & Configuration File Internationalization" on https://doc.qt.io/archives/qtextended4.4/syscust-internat.html
2016-08-14 15:35:54	SylvieLorxu	I should play with this once I can get AsteroidOS to build again :P
2016-08-14 15:42:25	Mister_Magister	hello everybody
2016-08-14 15:42:44	SylvieLorxu	Hi
2016-08-14 15:42:45	Mister_Magister	i want to help with translation to polish
2016-08-14 15:44:52	SylvieLorxu	Someone seems to have already translated all the in-app text to Polish on Weblate (https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/asteroidos/), although we still need the polish translations of the app names themselves. Let me go and get the list for you
2016-08-14 15:47:05	Mister_Magister	oh so i wasn't first :/
2016-08-14 15:47:20	SylvieLorxu	Mister_Magister: Could you please translate the following app names: "Weather", "Settings", "Alarm Clock", "Timer", "Stopwatch", "Calendar" and "Calculator"? (If you prefer, you can also make pull requests yourself on GitHub for the .desktop files)
2016-08-14 15:47:32	SylvieLorxu	Well, you could check if that person translated things correctly too :)
2016-08-14 15:47:45	Mister_Magister	i dunno how to use that website :D
2016-08-14 15:49:05	Mister_Magister	only 3 components?
2016-08-14 15:49:49	SylvieLorxu	Yes, most apps don't contain any text. Weblate isn't 100% complete though, it doesn't contain the app names, which is why I asked for the translations of those words here
2016-08-14 15:50:04	SylvieLorxu	(Weblate doesn't support .desktop files)
2016-08-14 15:52:37	ahoneybun	the website makes it look like the Moto 360 is supported
2016-08-14 15:56:10	Mister_Magister	In order: "Pogoda" "Ustawienia" "Alarm" "Timer" "Stoper" "Kalendarz" "Kalkulator"
2016-08-14 15:59:09	SylvieLorxu	Mister_Magister: Thanks, I'll go and update the app names and then enable the Polish translation option in settings :)
2016-08-14 15:59:52	Mister_Magister	I wonder how can i help with asteroidos because it's awesome project but i don't have smartwatch :/
2016-08-14 16:01:09	Mister_Magister	olso i fixed some words on weblate
2016-08-14 16:06:05	SylvieLorxu	Thanks, those updates will automatically be committed by Weblate
2016-08-14 16:06:21	SylvieLorxu	I just enabled Polish language support in settings so everyone who compiles AsteroidOS now has Polish support :)
2016-08-14 16:06:42	SylvieLorxu	Just need to wait for kido to accept https://github.com/AsteroidOS/asteroid-weather/pull/3 :P
2016-08-14 16:07:15	@kido	SylvieLorxu: supporting desktop in qlinguist would of course be the best solution :)
2016-08-14 16:07:49	@kido	but we would need to add every app on weblate for one string
2016-08-14 16:07:55	SylvieLorxu	kido: I'll probably play with that when I get AsteroidOS to build again so I can try it, assuming university won't keep me too busy
2016-08-14 16:08:11	SylvieLorxu	Yeah, probably, that's a bit... disappointing
2016-08-14 16:08:26	@kido	Mister_Magister: have you checked the "Get involved" webpage? there is probably everything in there
2016-08-14 16:08:57	@kido	SylvieLorxu: what's wrong with your build? wasn't it fine on debian?
2016-08-14 16:09:37	SylvieLorxu	Actually I have some weird issues on Debian too now. Just been too busy the past few days to really bother with it much, I'll go and boot the beasty up and see what went wrong exactly
2016-08-14 16:10:39	Mister_Magister	kido: how can i create apps, components or watchfaces if i can't run or test it because i don't have device?
2016-08-14 16:11:06	SylvieLorxu	Mister_Magister: You can test watchfaces without a device pretty well :P
2016-08-14 16:11:19	Mister_Magister	only watchfaces and i know that
2016-08-14 16:11:31	Mister_Magister	i'll do some of them
2016-08-14 16:12:09	SylvieLorxu	Apps probably shouldn't be too hard either as they're QML with a bit of C++ too, which can run just fine on desktops
2016-08-14 16:12:18	SylvieLorxu	Haven't tried that yet though
2016-08-14 16:12:44	Mister_Magister	run? But there are apps that need connection with phone :D
2016-08-14 16:12:52	SylvieLorxu	(And the only app I'd really care about (music control) would need to use the Bluetooth thing so that's harder...)
2016-08-14 16:13:01	SylvieLorxu	Yeah, that's a bit more complex :P
2016-08-14 16:15:54	Mister_Magister	I don't need smartwatch so i'm not interested in buy :D I have a plan. I'm making ai/voice assistant for me and then i'll make modified version of it for sfos and then i'll make app for asteroid to communicate with it. Sfos and asteroid don't have voice assistant so :D
2016-08-14 16:17:02	 *	SylvieLorxu looks at her Android phone, then at Mister_Magister with a sad expression
2016-08-14 16:17:51	Mister_Magister	why?
2016-08-14 16:18:08	SylvieLorxu	I don't have a Sailfish phone ;-;
2016-08-14 16:18:23	Mister_Magister	which phone do you have?
2016-08-14 16:18:26	SylvieLorxu	And my Android phone doesn't have a voice assistent either because eww Google
2016-08-14 16:18:40	SylvieLorxu	Motorola Moto E 2015, running CyanogenMod 13 without Google stuff
2016-08-14 16:19:13	Mister_Magister	Google now is "inteligent" voice assistant that can only run some commands. Very inteligent. With sir you can even talk :D
2016-08-14 16:20:05	SylvieLorxu	kido: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/408190/18454314/
2016-08-14 16:20:06	Mister_Magister	SylvieLorxu: Me > moto g 2nd gen > i want sfos > ported sfos > after half of year almost everything is working :D
2016-08-14 16:20:09	SylvieLorxu	That's Debian
2016-08-14 16:20:33	Mister_Magister	SylvieLorxu: you can have sfos :D
2016-08-14 16:20:39	SylvieLorxu	I remember there was something with pragma stuff, that'd probably fix that issue at least, but it's still a bit bad it doesn't build OOTB
2016-08-14 16:20:45	SylvieLorxu	Mister_Magister: I don't want sfos
2016-08-14 16:20:50	SylvieLorxu	It's more proprietary than what I currently run
2016-08-14 16:21:16	SylvieLorxu	I mean, I won't lie, Android is pretty bad
2016-08-14 16:21:16	Mister_Magister	as you wish :D
2016-08-14 16:21:19	SylvieLorxu	But yeah
2016-08-14 16:21:35	SylvieLorxu	My next device will probably be CopperheadOS (modified Android), Ubuntu Touch or KDE Plasma Mobile
2016-08-14 16:21:49	SylvieLorxu	Probably CopperheadOS because I have an Android-only app I depend on :(
2016-08-14 16:22:24	Mister_Magister	Ubuntu touch? Better go with sailfish :D That is not even operating system :D
2016-08-14 16:22:59	SylvieLorxu	But Sailfish is pretty proprietary :(
2016-08-14 16:25:20	Mister_Magister	and? It's just like linux you can do everything on it
2016-08-14 16:25:28	Mister_Magister	more posibilites than android
2016-08-14 16:28:11	SylvieLorxu	The UI is proprietary, so nobody can properly fork it or distribute modified versions. It will never be able to have this ROM-culture that makes Android bearable (standard Android sucks, custom ROMs make it so much better)
2016-08-14 16:34:46	SylvieLorxu	I agree that Ubuntu Touch is barely an OS right now though
2016-08-14 16:34:56	SylvieLorxu	I bought an Ubuntu Touch tablet a while ago out of curiosity
2016-08-14 16:35:04	SylvieLorxu	And... it's getting better but still has a long while to go
2016-08-14 16:45:43	Mister_Magister	Sfos have UI proprietary and that is a lot better. Why? Because producers will not make shitty ui versions that are laggy and need modification with every new version of os. With proprietary ui everybody have fast and good ui and that will be better with keeping them up to date
2016-08-14 16:46:44	Mister_Magister	you can change icons whole and whole system color. That is most like "themes" on custom roms and even in modified ui's form producers
2016-08-14 16:54:51	SylvieLorxu	You can't both say you have more possibilities than Android and say that it's a good thing you can't make changes there :P
2016-08-14 16:55:08	SylvieLorxu	But yeah, I'll go for the more freedom-respecting OS, tyvm :P
2016-08-14 17:18:09	Mister_Magister	as you wish but proprietary is a lot better in this case
2016-08-14 19:26:24	Nokius	o/
2016-08-14 19:26:55	Nokius	kido: sorry for not ping about the train had to much todo before leaving into my summer vocation
2016-08-14 19:27:14	Nokius	I will ping u with details in the next days :)
2016-08-14 20:08:23	@kido	Nokius: it's alright I'm on the countryside and I don't have a good internet connection so I'm not here often
2016-08-14 20:10:41	@kido	SylvieLorxu: we should be able to compile qml-asteroid on a computer and hack something to run the apps
2016-08-14 20:11:08	@kido	I'll check at QtCon if anyone is willing to help with some kind of QtCreator integration
2016-08-14 20:11:52	SylvieLorxu	That would be cool
2016-08-14 20:16:11	@kido	Meh I hate those errors which are actually warnings
2016-08-14 20:16:58	@kido	we should document the usage of a ubuntu LTS LXC for proper build or it's never gonna be sustainable
2016-08-14 20:28:55	SylvieLorxu	That sounds like a good idea
2016-08-14 20:29:11	SylvieLorxu	LXC is one of those things that seem super complex but if you know what you're doing is real quick to set up
2016-08-14 20:31:24	@kido	yep I remember having set this up pretty quickly and it will tackle most of the build errors users meet
2016-08-14 20:33:09	@kido	I changed the boot.img packing for all platforms to fix tetra. I did it in a bus without dory so I hope I didn't break anything :)
2016-08-14 20:36:17	SylvieLorxu	I actually have an Ubuntu LXC I believe
2016-08-14 20:37:13	@kido	might be more suitted than a cutting edge distro
2016-08-14 20:38:57	SylvieLorxu	I'm personally more tempted to use Debian as base but Debian Stable + Recent Qt is probably a mess
2016-08-14 20:39:06	SylvieLorxu	Ubuntu is probably the best in-between distro
2016-08-14 20:55:22	@kido	the host's Qt version doesn't matter
2016-08-14 20:56:18	@kido	openembedded builds everything from scratch, including a new native toolchain which is the only thing depending on host's tools (gcc)
2016-08-14 21:21:04	SylvieLorxu	Ah okay
2016-08-14 22:03:35	nils-dib	hi! I've got asteroidos running! Yeah!
2016-08-14 22:14:12	nils-dib	german translations are now all correct. but the wordwrap is incorrect
2016-08-14 22:21:02	@kido	hi nils-dib
2016-08-14 22:22:22	@kido	cool! :) could you list all the wordwrap issues? or maybe if you know a little bit of QML you could fix thr interface
2016-08-14 22:23:39	nils-dib	ok, I'll take a look at the apps