2016-08-17 12:30:59	bebechiyo	Hi guys. Its me - your UX / UI designer :)
2016-08-17 12:33:20	bebechiyo	I wanted to ask you what you think about my recent crazy idea : how about if we use morse code in the OS for input in the messages ? I know, it might be a bit struggle on the beginning to learn the code but think about it - tapping long or short to get the letter. Swipe to accept / denify the t9 suggestion.
2016-08-17 12:33:59	bebechiyo	*not denify but deny
2016-08-17 12:37:07	@kido	mhh, not sure if I would want to learn morse to answer my messages, I mean this can definitely be a funny killer feature but on a daily basis this is most likely painful
2016-08-17 12:38:55	bebechiyo	why do you think it would be painful ?
2016-08-17 12:58:18	@kido	I suppose that no one would want to take the learning curve
2016-08-17 13:00:47	TheAppleMan	i do want a binary watch face :)
2016-08-17 13:01:18	TheAppleMan	...some people learn morse code for fun...
2016-08-17 13:06:58	bebechiyo	i was also thinking - how are the possibilities (if any) of encrypting the messages thanks to this approach ?
2016-08-17 13:10:44	SylvieLorxu	Morse code is not an encryption scheme :P
2016-08-17 13:10:49	TheAppleMan	morse code isn't encryption
2016-08-17 13:11:13	TheAppleMan	more like obfuscation, but a lot of people know it :D
2016-08-17 13:11:26	SylvieLorxu	The point of encryption is that you can't revert it unless you know the secret
2016-08-17 13:11:30	SylvieLorxu	And morse code, well, isn't a secret :P
2016-08-17 13:12:55	SylvieLorxu	I also think that a T9 keyboard could work better for AsteroidOS. If we make it full-screen it's a bit bigger than the calculator app which should be just good enough
2016-08-17 13:13:49	bebechiyo	This approach, according to the research I have made is not the best Sylvie. The UX and UI designers are all the time looking for new and better solutions.
2016-08-17 13:14:40	bebechiyo	A pity it cant be used, it think it would be very funny - like Inspectors Gadget watch :)
2016-08-17 13:15:10	SylvieLorxu	Well, morse input probably wouldn't be that hard to implement but it has a huge learning curve and I expect it to still be slower than T9
2016-08-17 13:16:31	SylvieLorxu	Another possibility would maybe be that you start with the letter "n" or so (because it's in the middle of the alphabet) and move your finger to the left/right side of the screen to scroll back/further into the alphabet until you get the letter you want
2016-08-17 13:16:35	SylvieLorxu	Although not sure how fast that is
2016-08-17 13:17:31	bebechiyo	Yes, since the beginning of the morse code idea I am aware that the learning curve would be naturally existing. How long it of course depends on the user.
2016-08-17 13:17:48	SylvieLorxu	Or here are 2 Android keyboards that may be related: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.iowaline.dotdash&hl=en and https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=dasher.android
2016-08-17 13:17:51	bebechiyo	Anyway - the second idea of keyboard would be circular placement of the letter and the division of the letters in the modules. User tap the modul and then scrolls the letter with the side button, accept with the tap.
2016-08-17 13:19:52	TheAppleMan	someone made a dasher keyboard? wow
2016-08-17 13:19:55	SylvieLorxu	"Modules" as in, groups? We could probably put 8 different groups in the circle, so we could go "A-D", "E-H", etc.
2016-08-17 13:20:00	bebechiyo	Great, thanks for the link Sylvie ! Its a goldmine of informations howw users are finding this idea.
2016-08-17 13:20:11	bebechiyo	Yes modules in a groups.
2016-08-17 13:20:11	SylvieLorxu	In which case it would actually only be 2 tabs to get to whatever letter you need
2016-08-17 13:20:16	SylvieLorxu	s/tabs/taps/
2016-08-17 13:20:26	SylvieLorxu	And it would be really easy to learn
2016-08-17 13:20:39	bebechiyo	I was exactly thinking about 8 groups
2016-08-17 13:21:22	SylvieLorxu	Actually, it'd probably be "A-F" or so because we'll need special characters too
2016-08-17 13:21:22	TheAppleMan	like http://daisywheeljs.org/ ?
2016-08-17 13:21:33	SylvieLorxu	But as long as each group will be at most 8 characters it's always 2 taps away
2016-08-17 13:21:45	bebechiyo	english alphabet has 26 letters so 360/8 gives 32 equal spots for sign holders - that would make space for dots, comas questions signs etx
2016-08-17 13:21:57	SylvieLorxu	TheAppleMan: Basically yes
2016-08-17 13:22:12	SylvieLorxu	At least from how I understood it
2016-08-17 13:22:27	SylvieLorxu	And we can use the center tap to "go back" if you accidentally choose the wrong letter or so
2016-08-17 13:23:20	bebechiyo	TheAppleMan : almost : The module choice goes with a finger tap and the letter with the side button tap
2016-08-17 13:23:42	bebechiyo	The reason :
2016-08-17 13:23:47	SylvieLorxu	Just so you know, not every AsteroidOS device has a side button
2016-08-17 13:23:52	SylvieLorxu	My LG G watch doesn't, for example
2016-08-17 13:24:00	SylvieLorxu	It has no buttons, only a touchscreen
2016-08-17 13:24:00	bebechiyo	Module has bigger surface to tap than a letter and the button is more accurate
2016-08-17 13:25:28	TheAppleMan	text entry on a watch is going to be difficult with the screen size and human-interface experience (e.g. buttons). it's better on the phone tbh
2016-08-17 13:25:43	bebechiyo	Ok. This I didn't know that not every smartwatch has a side button. So we would need to find out a solution for the letter picking that doesn't require tapping of the letter itself.
2016-08-17 13:26:01	SylvieLorxu	I'm not sure what's wrong with tapping the letter itself?
2016-08-17 13:26:23	bebechiyo	The amount of surface.
2016-08-17 13:26:32	bebechiyo	Its very little.
2016-08-17 13:26:43	SylvieLorxu	It seems big enough for me, but maybe I'm weird
2016-08-17 13:27:17	bebechiyo	How about others ?
2016-08-17 13:27:21	TheAppleMan	g watch has square screen, so you could put stuff in corners. urbane doesn't
2016-08-17 13:27:42	SylvieLorxu	Circular should work for both right?
2016-08-17 13:27:48	bebechiyo	yes, of course
2016-08-17 13:29:10	@kido	has anyone already tried hand writing recognition on a watch? this is possible with latest QtVirtualKeyboard and I believe this would be the best thing to do on a small screen
2016-08-17 13:30:00	SylvieLorxu	TheAppleMan: https://lut.im/T4ELrU3REG/GDOl5zBR4niPn4Ev.png seem like it'd work to me
2016-08-17 13:30:09	@kido	TheAppleMan: sure, some people learn morse for fun but do you think that all the asteroid's users will have that much fun learning this?
2016-08-17 13:30:31	SylvieLorxu	I haven't tried hand writing recognition, that sounds cool actually, although I'm not sure if faster or slower than this circle style
2016-08-17 13:30:47	SylvieLorxu	Then again we could allow people to write a whole word at once as long as it fits
2016-08-17 13:30:59	SylvieLorxu	But long words would be problematic
2016-08-17 13:31:04	SylvieLorxu	Because when do we add a space?
2016-08-17 13:31:18	SylvieLorxu	May need an additional area to tap to add a space
2016-08-17 13:31:19	bebechiyo	I also think that it is a great idea but it all depends how sensitive it would be. Drawing on the mobile is difficult...
2016-08-17 13:31:32	SylvieLorxu	Actually I only have space for one letter on this screen lol
2016-08-17 13:31:45	@kido	regarding circular menu: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HYXMladbbzE/maxresdefault.jpg
2016-08-17 13:31:54	bebechiyo	This is exactly how i imagine it myself : you type one letter at once
2016-08-17 13:32:13	SylvieLorxu	Oh that would be a single tap, indeed word-completion would be very valuable here
2016-08-17 13:32:55	@kido	http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/gif/2014/10/13/c36ccb93be1dade7e2ae12670552203a70149ebd.gif
2016-08-17 13:32:56	bebechiyo	Yes - something like this kido
2016-08-17 13:33:03	SylvieLorxu	We can probably use the files in /usr/share/dict (assuming AsteroidOS has that) for the word completion
2016-08-17 13:33:38	SylvieLorxu	Obviously wherever we can prevent using typing we should but it's good to have a system for when we need it
2016-08-17 13:33:54	@kido	or http://www.cnet.com/videos/how-android-wear-2-0-messages-work/ (after 45 seconds)
2016-08-17 13:34:54	bebechiyo	thats really great
2016-08-17 13:35:00	bebechiyo	i love it
2016-08-17 13:35:32	@kido	this is what I would prefer, by far
2016-08-17 13:35:52	bebechiyo	ah, btw donno if you know this - in case you dont - https://hci.cs.uni-saarland.de/research/iskin/
2016-08-17 13:35:55	@kido	if it is usable enough, but I think it is
2016-08-17 13:36:37	@kido	according to me, group of letters take a lot of screen space and would be longer to learn and to use http://technode.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-10-at-2.45.50-PM.png
2016-08-17 13:37:12	SylvieLorxu	Well if the handwriting recognition works as well as on that video it sounds pretty cool
2016-08-17 13:37:30	bebechiyo	I think thi example is extremely compicated - it could be solved easier. The first example was much better.
2016-08-17 13:37:47	@kido	moreover it is already possible https://blog.qt.io/blog/2016/03/02/qt-virtual-keyboard-updated-with-handwriting-recognition/
2016-08-17 13:38:27	@kido	bebechiyo: you mean drawing one char at a time like here: c36ccb93be1dade7e2ae12670552203a70149ebd ?
2016-08-17 13:38:59	bebechiyo	yes
2016-08-17 13:39:03	bebechiyo	gives your more space
2016-08-17 13:39:10	@kido	alright
2016-08-17 13:39:16	bebechiyo	and I belive in this case the space is the crucial thing
2016-08-17 13:39:47	bebechiyo	there is some people with bigger fingers, when walking, runnning etc.
2016-08-17 13:40:21	@kido	then if everyone agrees, we could settle on this kind of input by default (although if anyone want to implement something else that would be perfectly fine)
2016-08-17 13:41:09	SylvieLorxu	The Android handwriting thing seems hectic because the screen moves so fast but that was probably because he was writing fast
2016-08-17 13:41:13	bebechiyo	one more important thing against the continous imput : how do you control when you write something incorrect and how do you correct it ?
2016-08-17 13:41:19	SylvieLorxu	But it's probably also best for when walking and stuff
2016-08-17 13:41:42	SylvieLorxu	Well, seeing the Qt thing you draw a weird kind of line for space
2016-08-17 13:41:44	@kido	SylvieLorxu: what the heck, this dasher looks like a nightmare to use
2016-08-17 13:41:59	SylvieLorxu	kido: It certainly has a learning curve yeah
2016-08-17 13:42:05	SylvieLorxu	Less than morse though
2016-08-17 13:42:27	SylvieLorxu	Actually, Android Wear displays the written text above it
2016-08-17 13:42:31	bebechiyo	but I find morse so funny lol that I couldnt stop myself from sharing it with you :)
2016-08-17 13:42:35	SylvieLorxu	I don't see why we couldn't add a backspace button there
2016-08-17 13:43:59	bebechiyo	On the continous ?
2016-08-17 13:44:28	bebechiyo	there is I think a backspace button I think.
2016-08-17 13:44:29	@kido	bebechiyo: indeed, that would be funny but someone can do that later
2016-08-17 13:45:56	bebechiyo	Guys, if I might suggest something : I would make the version that is easier to implement and then test it.
2016-08-17 13:48:36	SylvieLorxu	That may very well be handwriting because Qt already developed that for us :P
2016-08-17 13:49:29	@kido	nod
2016-08-17 13:50:32	@kido	bebechiyo: anything else you wanted to discuss?
2016-08-17 13:53:57	bebechiyo	I have some idea for the activity application but I suppose at that stage is not a topic. Probably it exists already but I think that could be useful on the smartwatch during hiking, bikeriding and similar activities. More or less : an app where you can record the voice according to the gps location. So like making fotos on the way and storing in t
2016-08-17 13:53:57	bebechiyo	hem gps location  but with the voice file instead of foto.
2016-08-17 13:56:41	@kido	technically speaking we are too far from that, we are still missing a working audio stack for example
2016-08-17 13:56:51	bebechiyo	My plan for today : I will try to visualize the UI / UX patterns. Will let you know guys when I have some results. It will be more for the future reference for the designers so it's easier to anchor the starting point for the design.
2016-08-17 13:57:14	@kido	so that's not really a topic at that point indeed
2016-08-17 13:57:25	bebechiyo	kido : I didnt expect taking it on the "surgeon table", just wanted to share the idea.
2016-08-17 13:57:35	@kido	sure
2016-08-17 13:57:51	bebechiyo	Ok. So Im getting to to work. Will contact you in case I have some questions.
2016-08-17 13:58:31	@kido	ok, you can just stay here and talk when you need to like most of us
2016-08-17 13:58:42	@kido	you might also want to install a real IRC client on your computer
2016-08-17 13:59:16	SylvieLorxu	On that note, if you're looking for recommendations, https://hexchat.github.io/ is nice and simple
2016-08-17 14:02:49	SylvieLorxu	Reminds me, I still need to figure out how to do i18n in watchfaces. I did https://github.com/TheLastProject/asteroid-launcher/commit/f628b5d7c12338bb3780c5182c8470875975a636 to make 002-words more i18n-friendly and I can easily set up the system that generates translations, but I'm still not sure how I'd load the correct watchface translation on runtime, that's pretty complex
2016-08-17 14:05:32	TheAppleMan	"still missing a working audio stack" also speakers
2016-08-17 14:06:11	SylvieLorxu	Well, speakers is a hardware thing
2016-08-17 14:06:29	SylvieLorxu	Worst case scenario we could probably use BLE to send it to the phone :P
2016-08-17 14:06:35	@kido	TheAppleMan: zenwatch 2 has a speaker :)
2016-08-17 14:06:51	TheAppleMan	still waiting on the urbane 2 :(
2016-08-17 14:07:13	@kido	TheAppleMan: did you order it? I forgot if you already said it
2016-08-17 14:07:48	TheAppleMan	can't order it here (yet, or ever...). although my trip to the US is confirmed i think it's only available on contract there
2016-08-17 14:08:07	@kido	on contract?
2016-08-17 14:08:40	TheAppleMan	pay monthly plan as it has a built-in LTE connection
2016-08-17 14:08:48	@kido	meh
2016-08-17 14:09:24	TheAppleMan	yeah, i still would, but i dunno if the US companies would allow a non-resident to get one
2016-08-17 14:09:51	TheAppleMan	if not, i'll pick up the other android wear watches and start porting
2016-08-17 14:10:04	SylvieLorxu	In a year or so they'd not even allow a non-resident in if they keep being this silly :P
2016-08-17 14:11:16	@kido	TheAppleMan: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LG-Watch-Urbane-2-W200-2nd-edition-4G-LTE-Unlocked-Android-Wear-Smartwatch-/281994112661?hash=item41a828ae95:g:e2AAAOSwGYVXCQW2 not sure if it's worth trust
2016-08-17 14:12:07	@kido	there are otehr sellers here and there
2016-08-17 14:12:27	@kido	might be better than subscribing to a US contract
2016-08-17 14:12:42	TheAppleMan	tempting
2016-08-17 14:14:50	TheAppleMan	but anyway, going to a best buy or something is a secondary objective to my US trip; pick up any watch I can't get here
2016-08-17 14:17:21	@kido	TheAppleMan: when will you get there?
2016-08-17 14:17:58	TheAppleMan	september 13th
2016-08-17 14:19:07	@kido	alright, wish you good luck :) anyway, there are other cool watches that might be easier to purchase
2016-08-17 14:22:28	TheAppleMan	i might just get on that urbane2 now tho...
2016-08-17 14:24:08	@kido	http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LG-Watch-Urbane-2-W200-2nd-edition-4G-LTE-Unlocked-Android-Wear-Smartwatch-New-/272326923841 this one is less expensive
2016-08-17 14:31:18	@kido	SylvieLorxu: couldn't we just load all the watchfaces translations?
2016-08-17 14:31:45	SylvieLorxu	kido: I think that causes the risk of watchface translations overwriting each other
2016-08-17 14:32:02	@kido	SylvieLorxu: why would that happen?
2016-08-17 14:32:29	SylvieLorxu	Actually, it contains filename and line to translate in the .ts files
2016-08-17 14:32:38	SylvieLorxu	So I suppose Qt checks this internally
2016-08-17 14:33:07	@kido	well at least we can try, it would seem fairly doable to me
2016-08-17 14:33:07	SylvieLorxu	Then again someone could purposely modify .ts files to overwrite watchfaces but that won't get an issue until we allow random third-party watchface downloads
2016-08-17 14:33:24	SylvieLorxu	Yeah that's definitely easiest
2016-08-17 14:33:50	SylvieLorxu	I'll go and set that up for the time being in a bit, yeah, should be easy enough
2016-08-17 14:34:05	SylvieLorxu	But first breakfast at 2:30PM because I've lost control of my life :D
2016-08-17 14:34:35	@kido	if a real problem appears later on we can fix it but I guess that for now we can just ignore problems that don't exist yet :)
2016-08-17 14:35:09	@kido	ahah, would you marry me? this is more of my life style when I have real holidays
2016-08-17 14:36:08	SylvieLorxu	lol
2016-08-17 14:36:47	SylvieLorxu	Holidays are awesome indeed
2016-08-17 14:38:00	SylvieLorxu	They give me so much time to hack on stuff that actually matters instead of university's "Hey you need to write this C# + .NET + XAML CRUD application or you fail your study"
2016-08-17 14:39:13	@kido	well, I took the time to choose an university where we don't have to use C#/.NET ...
2016-08-17 14:40:03	SylvieLorxu	That's extremely hard to find, but this one was least focused on Microsoft nonsense
2016-08-17 14:40:12	SylvieLorxu	All the other ones started off with C#
2016-08-17 14:41:15	SylvieLorxu	At least QML is basically XAML but JSON-like instead of XML-like, so I got some useful knowledge out of it
2016-08-17 14:41:51	SylvieLorxu	Still, having to use Visual Studio for a full year is something I wouldn't even wish upon my enemies
2016-08-17 14:41:54	@kido	I'm glad I wasn't even aware of the existence of XAML until now
2016-08-17 14:42:43	SylvieLorxu	Honestly, as someone who used both, QML is much nicer
2016-08-17 14:57:41	TheAppleMan	mmh, the expensive one could be here by monday (according to ebay), but the cheap ones take weeks :/
2016-08-17 14:59:04	@kido	TheAppleMan: it's up to you, but considering that you already waited for very long I suppose that you might be able to wait for a couple of weeks more :P this way you keep the hype at its finest
2016-08-17 16:02:06	SylvieLorxu	Ugh translating escaped XML code
2016-08-17 16:02:08	SylvieLorxu	So much pain
2016-08-17 16:07:47	@kido	isn't there any tool to "unescape" it ?
2016-08-17 16:13:08	SylvieLorxu	I'm through it already, hopefully Weblate shows it better
2016-08-17 16:13:30	SylvieLorxu	And crap I broke my build directory lol so now I can't build and test this
2016-08-17 16:14:58	SylvieLorxu	Oh I know why haha
2016-08-17 16:29:05	SylvieLorxu	Aww, damn, now I made it worse
2016-08-17 16:29:30	SylvieLorxu	I literally deleted all the stuff I needed to have any chance of still compiling this >.<
2016-08-17 16:30:10	@kido	isn't there a git or something to checkout the files back?
2016-08-17 16:30:55	SylvieLorxu	Not after I deleted .git along with it :P
2016-08-17 16:32:35	@kido	:)
2016-08-17 16:35:00	SylvieLorxu	I'm reasonably certain https://github.com/AsteroidOS/asteroid-launcher/compare/master...TheLastProject:master and https://github.com/AsteroidOS/meta-asteroid/compare/master...TheLastProject:master will work but yeah, I'll have to wait until the builds start working on either of my devices again
2016-08-17 16:35:40	@kido	didn't you say you had an ubuntu LXC to try to compile on?
2016-08-17 16:36:35	SylvieLorxu	Oh I do indeed have an Ubuntu LXC, just need to boot my laptop and figure out how the hell that worked again :P
2016-08-17 16:36:59	@kido	I guess you don't have any other choice :)
2016-08-17 16:37:05	SylvieLorxu	;-;
2016-08-17 16:37:11	SylvieLorxu	Well, actually I do
2016-08-17 16:37:24	SylvieLorxu	My other choice is "never get these changes into AsteroidOS" :P
2016-08-17 16:38:26	SylvieLorxu	But yeah I'll try to compile on the Ubuntu LXC
2016-08-17 16:38:53	@kido	:)
2016-08-17 16:44:28	SylvieLorxu	I forgot the login info to my container :D
2016-08-17 16:48:21	SylvieLorxu	Okay, found it back, now the waiting game will start :P
2016-08-17 17:07:59	TheAppleMan	kido: i see the new site layout is live, so i'm guessing that's the new server. is jenkins also up and running?
2016-08-17 17:15:01	@kido	it is up but not running :)
2016-08-17 17:15:38	@kido	TheAppleMan: https://ci.asteroidos.org/ I don't like jenkins so I stopped trying to configure it
2016-08-17 17:16:40	TheAppleMan	i don't disagree
2016-08-17 17:22:47	SylvieLorxu	What feels weirdest is that you seem to be having a German system there
2016-08-17 17:22:52	SylvieLorxu	"tar: jenkins-asteroid-oe-core-*.tar: Funktion open fehlgeschlagen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden"
2016-08-17 17:23:06	SylvieLorxu	Like, I'd expect English, I'd understood French, but German, as a French person? :P
2016-08-17 17:23:16	@kido	ahah, slap ledixus for that :)
2016-08-17 17:23:29	 *	EACFreddy slaps ledixus
2016-08-17 17:23:31	SylvieLorxu	Ah, they own the VM?
2016-08-17 17:23:44	@kido	but I do speak some words of german :)
2016-08-17 17:24:01	@kido	yes
2016-08-17 17:24:30	SylvieLorxu	Ich auch, aber debugging ist doch einfacher wenn dass System im English oder deine Muttersprache ist? :D
2016-08-17 17:24:33	@kido	EACFreddy: danke
2016-08-17 17:25:26	TheAppleMan	Ich weiss nicht
2016-08-17 17:25:39	TheAppleMan	hmm... that's not working for me...
2016-08-17 17:26:20	@kido	it's been two years I stopped german for mandarin, still not sure if this was a good idea :) it might help read some crappy vendors' kernels code
2016-08-17 17:26:29	@kido	what's not working?
2016-08-17 17:27:06	TheAppleMan	i can't connect to the website in my browser, but i can from other servers
2016-08-17 17:27:13	TheAppleMan	lemmie test more
2016-08-17 17:27:21	@kido	strange
2016-08-17 17:42:12	TheAppleMan	meh, i dunno why i'm blocked from that location. i can use another proxy.
2016-08-17 17:42:43	TheAppleMan	oh right, i remember, you need the copy-artifact plugin in jenkins
2016-08-17 17:44:23	@kido	ah, that's good to know, I will try that when I get home
2016-08-17 17:49:25	TheAppleMan	http://docs.openstack.org/infra/jenkins-job-builder/builders.html#builders.copyartifact https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Copy+Artifact+Plugin
2016-08-17 17:49:45	TheAppleMan	i think that's the only plugin, but there's no easy way to tell. i'm just going through the docs
2016-08-17 17:58:28	@kido	thanks
2016-08-17 18:01:46	@kido	louisdk: sorry, missed your message last time,  hi ! interested in asteroid ?
2016-08-17 18:06:26	louisdk	kido: yearh. I currently don't own a smartwatch but besides running Linux on my computer I also have a Jolla phone and tablet. Mer is pretty awesome.
2016-08-17 18:06:45	louisdk	*computers
2016-08-17 18:07:18	@kido	nice, are you one of the few ones who own a jolla tablet or a ported version ?
2016-08-17 18:08:31	@kido	if you plan to buy a smartwatch you might ask yourself if you want an already working asteroidos image or spend some time porting it to a new model :)
2016-08-17 19:06:06	@kido	TheAppleMan: I installed copy-artifact but it still can't find jenkins-asteroid-oe-core-*.tar
2016-08-17 19:07:32	TheAppleMan	can you pull from my job specs and jjb delete-all and jjb update?
2016-08-17 19:08:36	@kido	okay hold on for a sec
2016-08-17 19:09:29	@kido	the only thing I need to do is removing "gentoo" in your yaml file right?
2016-08-17 19:10:30	TheAppleMan	yeah, i dont think you need to (depending on your build node setup), but you can
2016-08-17 19:11:30	@kido	I believe it was causing issues
2016-08-17 19:12:13	TheAppleMan	fairynuff
2016-08-17 19:12:45	TheAppleMan	but you would need to remive the whole line
2016-08-17 19:13:14	 *	TheAppleMan typos because irc on phone
2016-08-17 19:13:36	@kido	removing all "node:" ?
2016-08-17 19:14:12	TheAppleMan	yeah, the whole line
2016-08-17 19:14:33	@kido	okay
2016-08-17 19:31:39	TheAppleMan	i need to update the meta sparrow hybris build, so that'll fail atm
2016-08-17 19:32:27	@kido	yep I changed that, will update
2016-08-17 19:34:46	TheAppleMan	oh huh, what shell does the server have?
2016-08-17 19:35:12	@kido	not sure, ^~ ask ledixus 
2016-08-17 19:36:26	TheAppleMan	i must be using a bashism... https://ci.asteroidos.org/job/asteroid-image-tetra/ws/
2016-08-17 19:37:07	@kido	hehe, indeed :)
2016-08-17 19:41:22	TheAppleMan	pushed those two changes
2016-08-17 19:44:45	@kido	https://ci.asteroidos.org/job/asteroid-image-dory/lastFailedBuild/console
2016-08-17 19:46:44	TheAppleMan	that's not me. looks like the server is python2 and bitbake needs py3
2016-08-17 19:47:36	@kido	yup
2016-08-17 19:47:58	@kido	ledixus: ^~ we need python3 on the server
2016-08-17 20:12:12	@kido	hi Potato___ 
2016-08-17 20:12:32	Potato___	Hello
2016-08-17 20:13:47	@kido	hi rudeshko 
2016-08-17 20:14:07	@kido	well, welcome back if you are also Potato___ :)
2016-08-17 20:14:11	@kido	interested in asteroid?
2016-08-17 20:14:35	Potato___	We are two different people
2016-08-17 20:14:46	Potato___	Sitting in the same room though
2016-08-17 20:15:08	@kido	right, the IP made me think you were at the same place
2016-08-17 20:15:35	@kido	remind me of my workplace, everyone is in the same room but still talking on IRC :)
2016-08-17 20:15:35	EvilAntCyborg	Got it!
2016-08-17 20:15:35	EvilAntCyborg	<kido> kido, remember of my workplace, everyone is in the same room but still talking on IRC :)
2016-08-17 20:15:54	rudeshko	Hey, is your OS based on Android, or is it a Linux distro?
2016-08-17 20:15:56	@kido	Melanosuchus: hehe :)
2016-08-17 20:16:07	@kido	rudeshko: no, it's a linux distro
2016-08-17 20:16:41	rudeshko	We're just working on a proof of concept where we need to create a "locked down" version of the app, which will only give specific set of feature to the users
2016-08-17 20:17:01	rudeshko	for example a kiosk mode app, where it only plays a video in a demo room
2016-08-17 20:17:20	rudeshko	and Asteroid seems like a good candidate for the OS
2016-08-17 20:17:33	@kido	on a smartwatch?
2016-08-17 20:17:38	Potato___	Yes
2016-08-17 20:18:06	@kido	yup, seems appropriate
2016-08-17 20:18:08	Potato___	A potential app that doesn't allow the user to mess with any other settings etc., only the ones we allow them to touch
2016-08-17 20:18:13	rudeshko	it's already doable on mobile devices, but now we're trying to use watches as well
2016-08-17 20:18:49	@kido	that's possible with asteroid indeed
2016-08-17 20:20:05	rudeshko	great! what programming language is supported when we develop an app? and also are there any existing SDKs that we can play with?
2016-08-17 20:20:57	rudeshko	because unfortunately we can't do much testing at the moment since we don't have a watch, so we'd like to confirm if it's doable first before purchasing it
2016-08-17 20:21:15	Potato___	What device at the moment is best supported?
2016-08-17 20:21:32	@kido	most supported watch is the lg g watch
2016-08-17 20:21:59	@kido	QML is the default programming language for UI things
2016-08-17 20:25:04	rudeshko	okay that sounds great. what about interaction with watch sensors? For example reading heartbeat information or accessing gyroscope. Would that have to be written from scratch or is it at least partially supported in the system?
2016-08-17 20:25:39	@kido	for heart rate I have no idea since I don't own a watch with heart rate sensor
2016-08-17 20:26:15	@kido	for gyroscope this will need a little bit of fighting with libhybris but on this is 100% possible
2016-08-17 20:27:15	rudeshko	okay that's good. it doesn't matter if it needs to be written from scratch as long as it's possible.
2016-08-17 20:27:29	rudeshko	Also, does it fully work as a standalone OS? Is the phone needed at all?
2016-08-17 20:28:06	@kido	na it's not a matter of writting anything from scratch, it just needs a little bit of integration
2016-08-17 20:28:24	@kido	yes it can work standalone
2016-08-17 20:28:47	Potato___	Is it the same for supporting the GPS, compass, accelerometer?
2016-08-17 20:29:03	@kido	yes
2016-08-17 20:29:51	Potato___	I also noticed the use of adb for pushing apps, on the documentation page. Does it have any ties to Android because of this?
2016-08-17 20:30:20	@kido	no, it's compiled independently and we can also use ssh
2016-08-17 20:30:25	@kido	although it's not extensively tested
2016-08-17 20:32:34	rudeshko	okay that's awesome. looks like it's our main option then, because Android wear is not as open and we can't do as much on it
2016-08-17 20:32:48	@kido	right
2016-08-17 20:33:18	@kido	can I be curious and ask what you plan to do in more details?
2016-08-17 20:33:49	@kido	like, is it a student project, an artistic thing, something for a client... ?
2016-08-17 20:35:35	rudeshko	for now it's just an internal prototype/proof of concept. potentially it will be for a client, but that's something our bosses need to decide
2016-08-17 20:35:59	rudeshko	we're just doing research on what's possible and what's not
2016-08-17 20:36:18	@kido	ok
2016-08-17 20:38:49	rudeshko	thanks for the answers, we'll be making some decisions later on so we'll be sure to check back and maybe ask more in-depth questions
2016-08-17 20:39:02	@kido	alright
2016-08-17 21:10:42	TheAppleMan	oh kido, jenkins has a page showing "old data", that has a sortof listing of missing plugins?
2016-08-17 21:13:47	@kido	"No old data was found."
2016-08-17 21:13:59	@kido	in "Manage Jenkins" -> "Manage Old Data"
2016-08-17 21:14:31	TheAppleMan	unless the missing plugins have since been installed or the old data was cleared
2016-08-17 21:14:52	TheAppleMan	all good then?
2016-08-17 21:16:01	@kido	yep, but I suppose this is python3
2016-08-17 21:16:26	TheAppleMan	oh yar, that was just an fyi for plugins
2016-08-17 21:16:59	@kido	:)
2016-08-17 21:17:15	@kido	yep everything seems ok
2016-08-17 21:17:34	TheAppleMan	I'm setting up a new Jenkins on my home server so I'm doing everything from scratch
2016-08-17 21:25:45	@kido	hi X0X0 
2016-08-17 21:26:00	@kido	bye X0X0 :)
2016-08-17 21:57:12	TheAppleMan	there's so many repos and branches i cant keep track?
2016-08-17 21:59:53	@kido	which ones are you talking about?
2016-08-17 22:03:53	TheAppleMan	i have custom versions of asteroidos/asteroid and meta-bass-hybris that i sync with dory
2016-08-17 22:06:14	@kido	I believe that you should keep everything upstream
2016-08-17 22:06:43	TheAppleMan	i wanr to test it before sending it up
2016-08-17 22:07:04	@kido	right
2016-08-17 22:29:13	ledixus	TheAppleMan
2016-08-17 22:29:15	ledixus	GNU bash, Version 4.3.30(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
2016-08-17 22:29:17	ledixus	xD
2016-08-17 22:33:02	TheAppleMan	is that /bin/sh ?
2016-08-17 22:39:33	ledixus	bin/bash i would say
2016-08-17 22:40:10	@kido	ledixus: I guess that what TheAppleMan is asking is: is /bin/sh a symlink to /bin/bash ?
2016-08-17 22:40:29	ledixus	ah
2016-08-17 22:40:36	@kido	easily checkable with ls -l /bin/sh
2016-08-17 22:40:38	ledixus	bin/sh is linked to /bin/dash
2016-08-17 22:41:19	@kido	TheAppleMan: maybe dash doesn't support expanding your expression? anyway it's not very important, we can do without
2016-08-17 22:41:26	@kido	installing python3 is more important
2016-08-17 22:41:29	TheAppleMan	yeah, Jenkins uses /bin/sh. okay well that's fixed anyway
2016-08-17 22:41:52	@kido	darn, whoever invented fried noodles shall be blessed forever
2016-08-17 22:41:59	ledixus	kido: you need python3 on the machine?
2016-08-17 22:42:26	@kido	I should turn into a machine that turns fried noodles into code
2016-08-17 22:42:47	@kido	ledixus: yep, check this: https://ci.asteroidos.org/job/asteroid-image-dory/lastFailedBuild/console
2016-08-17 22:43:09	TheAppleMan	kido, wait you're not already?
2016-08-17 22:44:16	@kido	TheAppleMan: I try! :)
2016-08-17 22:44:28	ledixus	kido: its done. for the moment i just installed "python3". lemme know if you need something more, well you have access too ;)
2016-08-17 22:45:30	@kido	mhh it doesn't seem to have fixed it https://ci.asteroidos.org/job/asteroid-image-dory/lastFailedBuild/console 
2016-08-17 22:46:04	@kido	however on my laptop this returns 2.7.12
2016-08-17 22:46:27	EACFreddy	python links to python2 on most systems
2016-08-17 22:46:49	ledixus	there is the python hero kido :)
2016-08-17 22:47:05	@kido	right but we are not sure where this command gets called from, we thought it was bitbake but it's running fine on my laptop
2016-08-17 22:47:22	@kido	might be a jenkins script coming out from nowhere
2016-08-17 22:48:11	TheAppleMan	well, its technically one of the oe scripts
2016-08-17 22:48:39	TheAppleMan	oe-buildenv-internal
2016-08-17 22:49:10	@kido	"Make sure we're not using python v3.x."
2016-08-17 22:50:11	TheAppleMan	:<
2016-08-17 22:56:04	ledixus	EvilAntCyborg: can you fix it?
2016-08-17 22:56:04	EvilAntCyborg	It is decidedly so
2016-08-17 22:57:05	@kido	TheAppleMan: I got a shell in there and . ./prepare-build.sh works
2016-08-17 23:00:36	TheAppleMan	another strange one...?
2016-08-17 23:01:04	@kido	I guess so